Can we discuss compressed air a a storage medium that can spin electric motors in autos and trucks? (Pretty much a rhetorical comment, in case that isn't obvious.)
CA is already used in transport, albeit (an interesting English word that always tickles me) for small range, and low speed, applications. We are in a pickle globally that even if we made far more solar, wind, and so on, power, they are inconstant, and inconvenient when scaled up; this cause a lot of logistical problems. The greatest being we need a lot more storage and we don't have it. We really need low tech, sufficiently efficient, energy storage and release means (like hydro, but without the environmental damage). One potential positive collateral effect could be having excess compressed air that could drive EVs. Their are other storage media that could also scale and might even be better. Certain elements can be reformatted to higher energy states and then reacted to power EV's. Like carbon and hydrogen, even though that clearly has negative collateral. But, it is safe to say that any storage means is analogous to this reformatting: lithium ions, burning HC variations, heat from radioactive isotopes, and so on. It is safe to say that anything we might do will look like these. I am agnostic to the exact methods and think we ought to talk about things that require a lot of development far into the future, because we have problems that will take a very long tome to solve satisfactorily. Transport will likely continue to be a large consumer of energy. I like hearing what people in this group think. Comparing reactions, and factoring in collateral effects is very good for discussion and we should be willing to do that with some openness. There is a particular reaction that could be used to store energy from sustainable, but temporally irregular energy sources. It is a very simple reaction, readily available ingredients are found everywhere for little cost. Technology exists to store the energy and release it, that is sufficiently efficient (since there is no alternative other than to waste solar and wind energy when it is inconveniently timed efficiency becomes less concerning) compressed air could do this, but I would really prefer it was a compressed reactive gas not just nitrogen and some other lesser components. If this particular gas was used, an additional use is possible, we could use to power EVs. Mike On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 6:14 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV < [email protected]> wrote: > I don't want to belabor this because -- well, because it's off topic. Long > ago the EVDL decided that fuel cells were not part of its remit. (I love > using that word. It's a verb that's also a noun with a completely > different > meaning. Ain't English grand?) > > The founder of this list, Clyde Visser, didn't have such a narrow view. > His > charter -- which is still officially in effect -- says in part: > > "An electric vehicle is any vehicle which uses an electric motor as the > primary or sole motive force. The energy storage device used to drive said > motor can use any technology including, but not limited to, solar electric, > electric battery, fuel cell, internal combustion engine coupled with a > electric generator (hybrids), or any combination of these." > > But like any social organization, the EVDL has developed a sort of > institutional culture. Some of it comes from explicitly asking the members > what they wanted to discuss; some if it is just the way we've drifted over > the years. (The EVDL is 25 years old. It even predates the web. The mind > boggles.) > > As part of that culture, there are things that we've sort of tacitly agreed > not to discuss in detail, though we might mention them in passing. Some of > them are fuel cells, nuclear power, "free energy," and (outside of charging > EVs) solar energy. > > And partisan politics. That's a big one. Let's just drop that steamin' > ... > uh ... hot potato right now. Whew. > > You can argue that this limits our understanding of the EV world, and even > of the much larger world outside EVs. > > And you are probably right. > > So it goes. > > But just as you don't usually try to rent St Sebastian Catholic Church to > celebrate your son's Bar Mitzvah, or schedule your daughter's First > Communion at Beth El Temple, you're probably not going to get too far > trying > to convince this rather strongly anti-fuel-cell community that FCEVs are > the > way forward. > > OK? > > Thanks. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. 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