Cor, could you please describe the options/features/differences that make up 
the cold weather package? 
-- 
-Chris

On July 7, 2017 5:58:46 PM CDT, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> 
wrote:
>Exactly,
>
>Either I will find a way to re-program my current LBC to support the
>cold weather package
>
>or I will have to find an LBC from a cold weather package battery (I
>might have one by next week)
>
>and I have even considered adding a little circuit that disables one
>contactor as soon as the ignition is off,
>
>but I figured that it will need to be enabled when either Charging is
>active or Ignition is on, so it needs to
>
>combine those two signals and then use that combined signal to enable a
>contactor.
>
>This will likely throw an error when the car tries to charge the 12V
>battery from the HV pack.
>
>And I do not know if the car will turn off and sleep if it can't charge
>the 12V battery,
>
>so it might drain the 12V battery instead of the HV pack.
>
>When putting a disconnect on the 12V battery, you also make it
>impossible to open (or lock) the car with the FOB,
>
>so every time you want to use the car, you need to pull out the
>mechanical key, open the driver door
>
>(the only door with a mechanical lock), pull the hood release, open the
>hood, reconnect the 12V and close hood.
>
>When parking the car for a longer period, you would need to: stop the
>car (not turn off) and pull hood release,
>
>open hood and disconnect 12V battery, close hood, then get in the car,
>lock all doors manually, raise windows, turn car off so it dies,
>
>get out and then lock driver door manually with key.
>
>Not to mention setting time and radio stations...
>
>There must be a easier way...
>
>(Of course, I should have matched the car with cold weather package
>with
>the battery, if I had known in advance....)
>
>Cor.
>
> 
>
>From: damon henry [mailto:damonhe...@hotmail.com] 
>Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 5:44 AM
>To: ROBERT; Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light
>blinks after new pack install: cold weather package...
>
> 
>
>You do realize this is for switching off the 12v SLA battery usually
>when it is not under load right?  
>
> 
>
>I've used a bunch of these over the years and they are fairly beefy for
>the job they are asked to do.  I even have one on my motorcycle and it
>easily carries my full traction pack voltage and current 48v 400 amps.
>I don't expect it to switch that off under load, but I put it in the
>circuit so that I could completely disconnect my motor controller
>during
>charging.  I have a properly rated contactor on the other side of the
>circuit for any emergency shut offs.
>
> 
>
>These switches are more than up to the task of disconnecting the 12
>volt
>battery for years without fail.  I'm just not sure if Cor is the type
>to
>settle for an ugly hack like this to a complicated problem.  He seems
>more like the type to grind through and uncover a proper solution, but
>even if that is the case this could be a temporary solution.
>
> 
>
>Damon
>
> 
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: ROBERT <bhensle...@msn.com>
>Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 12:30 PM
>To: Cor van de Water; damon henry; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light
>blinks after new pack install: cold weather package... 
>
> 
>
>A battery cut off switch with only weak mechanical specs.  No maximum
>number of switching operations, etc. Now, that is interesting.
>
> 
>
>________________________________
>
>From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> on behalf of damon henry via EV
><ev@lists.evdl.org>
>Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 7:37 AM
>To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light
>blinks after new pack install: cold weather package... 
>
> 
>
>Hi Cor,
>
>
>I'm not sure how much help you will get on a proper solution as you are
>kind of out there on the bleeding edge with the Leaf battery
>replacement
>thing and usually the one providing the answers :)
>
>
>A possible hack might be installing a battery cutoff switch for the 12
>volt battery.  Harbor Freight sells them for $8.
>
>https://www.harborfreight.com/battery-cutoff-switch-63425.html 
>
> <https://www.harborfreight.com/battery-cutoff-switch-63425.html> 
>
>Battery Cutoff Switch - Harbor Freight Tools
><https://www.harborfreight.com/battery-cutoff-switch-63425.html> 
>
>www.harborfreight.com
>
>Amazing deals on this Battery Cut Off Switch at Harbor Freight. Quality
>tools & low prices.
>
>
>
>
>Damon
>
>
>________________________________
>From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> on behalf of Cor van de Water via
>EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
>Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 6:11:47 PM
>To: ev@lists.evdl.org
>Subject: [EVDL] Weird Nissan Leaf behavior: 3rd charging light blinks
>after new pack install: cold weather package...
>
>OK, I did something to my Leaf that I need to get fixed, because now
>the
>Leaf is charging the 12V battery whenever the car should be asleep,
>
>as a result it is losing charge from the main pack.
>
>It started two days ago when I removed the new (warranty replacement
>battery) from this 2012 Leaf SL with cold weather package.
>
>I do not know why it has a cold weather package, being in California it
>never gets below freezing in a car so a cold weather package is quite
>odd, but anyhow.
>
>I installed a 2011 battery, apparently without cold weather package
>knowledge in the LBC.
>
>Since then, every time the car is supposed to sleep, it starts blinking
>the 3rd charging LED and is actually charging the 12V battery to 14.4V
>continuously,
>
>resulting in 1 mile range loss every hour.
>
>Anybody have a clue how to get the car to stop being confused about the
>cold weather package?
>
>Does the LBC need to be reprogrammed? I can modify the configuration
>(serial) memory of the LBC, if I know what to change.
>
>Or should I have the car's computer reprogrammed to tell it to forget
>about the cold weather package? I do not need it!
>
>Don't really want to pull the 12V battery contact off every time I want
>to park the car more than a day and the energy loss
>
>is quite a waste as well...
>
>Any Leaf experts out there?
>Cor.
>
>
>
>BTW, the model nrs of the new 2017 battery that I removed and the 2011
>battery that I installed:
>
>2017 battery: 295B09RB9D
>
>2011 battery: 295B03NA0A
>
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