That sounds like it is including the comfort creature power draw.
It is simple to check, I believe that holding the "dot" button down resets the 
efficiency meter,
so drive a mile with the heater/defrost on and then a mile without and reset 
the meter
before each mile. The meter updates every few hundred yards so you should see 
the difference immediately.
As far as I know the battery is not much affected as long as it is not 
seriously below freezing
and then mostly the *power* is restricted, not even the capacity much affected.
At extremely low temps the battery heater comes on, but now we are talking 
about 30 deg below or so.
And the battery heaters only come on when the car is on or charging, since the 
heaters are connected
to the "car" side of the battery contactors.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peri Hartman [] 
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 3:26 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Cc: Cor van de Water
Subject: Re[2]: [EVDL] Leaf recommendations?

The tires are, or should be, at the manufacturer's recommended pressure. 
Not sure what that is at the moment. Regardless, I find it hard to believe that 
would make a difference of 100% between cool and warm weather driving.

Again, the first question is about the meter: does it include all the aux or is 
it just traction?


------ Original Message ------
From: "Cor van de Water via EV" <>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <>
Cc: "Cor van de Water" <>
Sent: 23-Oct-17 2:37:52 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf recommendations?

>If you have tires already well pumped (~45 PSI) and nothing is dragging 
>then I found that tweaking the toe of the front wheels makes a lot of 
>difference in the consumption (mi/kWh) which can easily make a 
>difference of more than 10 miles per charge.
>My first Leaf had trouble allowing me even to get 3.7 mi/kWh and then I 
>saw my current Leaf showing 4.9 kWh/mi so I checked the difference and 
>all I could find was that this Leaf had a slight toe-out.
>I drive more freeway than the previous owner, but it still gives me 
>close to 4.5 mi/kWh and the tweaked toe of my original Leaf also 
>increased its efficiency.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: EV [] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman 
>via EV
>Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 2:26 PM
>To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
>Cc: Peri Hartman
>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf recommendations?
>Hi Lawrence,
>I've been paying attention to the kWh usage for various kinds of trips 
>over the last several months. In summer, with reasonably careful 
>driving, I could normally get better than 4 miles / kWh. Just like you
>;) That was with no AC or other high aux loads. Now that we have cooler 
>weather, it's maxing out around 2 miles / kWh. That's with heat and 
>defrost on.
>Do you, or anyone, know if the Leaf miles / kWh meter (lower left of 
>steering wheel) includes all the aux power or is it just the traction 
>power? If the latter, then I would hypothesize that the battery is very 
>sensitive to outdoor temperature. But, this seems extreme.
>------ Original Message ------
>From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <>
>To: "Peri Hartman" <>
>Sent: 05-Mar-17 9:52:09 PM
>Subject: Re: Re[6]: [EVDL] Leaf recommendations?
>>Starting and stopping it certainly will.  However when city driving I 
>>accelerate to the speed limit and coast to the next stop if possible 
>>using Regen to slow.  LR
>>Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android device
>>On Mar 5, 2017 9:45 PM, Peri Hartman <> wrote:
>>>Temperature could be contributing, but we're not that much colder - 
>>>high 30s today. I think I'll check the brakes and see if they're 
>>>dragging. Other than that, I think you are probably better at it than 
>>>I and have better road conditions - lesser grades, longer blocks 
>>>without stops, etc. Still, it definitely made a difference for me for 
>>>city driving.
>>>------ Original Message ------
>>>From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <>
>>>To: "Peri Hartman" <>
>>>Sent: 05-Mar-17 9:38:10 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Re[4]: [EVDL] Leaf recommendations?
>>>>Seems temperature is an issue.  My Leaf shows 4.3 average.
>>>>Temperature here is 45 F or higher.  I also coast as much as 
>>>>possible.  LR
>>>>Sent from my MetroPCS 4G LTE Android device
>>>>On Mar 5, 2017 8:51 PM, Peri Hartman <> wrote:
>>>>>I tried a mostly freeway drive today, about 12 miles each way. 
>>>>>there I averaged 3.0 miles/kwh, coming back I got 3.3, the primary 
>>>>>difference probably being elevation change. I did my absolute best 
>>>>>to try to stay with 2 balls but I found it took 3 balls to maintain 
>>>>>about 56-57mph on the flat. Also there were some short grades where 
>>>>>I had to go to 6 balls to keep within 10 mph of the speed limit and 
>>>>>longer grades where I need 4 to stay at 50. It's an interesting 
>>>>>challenge and experiment. I'll have to try the same trip again 
>>>>>limiting to 4 balls and see how much difference there is.
>>>>>------ Original Message ------
>>>>>From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <>
>>>>>To: "Peri Hartman" <>
>>>>>Sent: 27-Feb-17 3:59:01 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Re[2]: [EVDL] Leaf recommendations?
>>>>>>It's one thing safety with too much going on.  But my eyes flutter 
>>>>>>to the power consumption and using the two ball system isn't like 
>>>>>>keeping an eye all the time on the miles per kwh.  I can do it and 
>>>>>>I have gotten amazing range but when going 25 in the city I'm 
>>>>>>always coasting up to lights.  So again no way having cruise 
>>>>>>control on saves energy. Saves your brain.  Not energy. Those 
>>>>>>adjustments is what wastes energy.   Lawrence
>>>>>>From: Peri Hartman <>
>>>>>>To: Lawrence Rhodes <>
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 1:01 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re[2]: [EVDL] Leaf recommendations?
>>>>>>I'll disagree, privately. Let me explain. If you are going 25mph 
>>>>>>and you regulate manually, you are probaby going to vary between
>>>>>>and 27 or so. It's just too hard to keep an eye on traffic and 
>>>>>>other activities and also watch and control your speed. That much 
>>>>>>variance, on level ground, is just not as optimal as the micro 
>>>>>>adjustments the cruise control will do to maintain almost exactly 
>>>>>>25. If you are in a stop & go situation or on substantial hills, 
>>>>>>then allowing a drop to 20 uphill and some excess downhill will be 
>>>>>>more efficient manually, yes.
>>>>>>If you didn't care about maintaining a constant speed, then I 
>>>>>>your most optimal travel would be at a fixed power level. But that 
>>>>>>just isn't realistic driving in most situations.
>>>>>>Anyway, I understand your point. I hope you understand mine.
>>>>>>------ Original Message ------
>>>>>>From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" <>
>>>>>>To: "" <>; 
>>>>>>Sent: 27-Feb-17 12:46:49 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [EVDL] Leaf recommendations?
>>>>>> >No.  Yes you have to keep thinking but you will be better able 
>>>>>> >to
>>>>>> >adjust to terrain than the cruise control because it doesn't
>>>>>>adjust to
>>>>>> >miles per kwh just miles per hour.  Lawrence...why don't they 
>>>>>> >make
>>>>>> >kwh per mile control...Rhodes..would that be a smart cruise 
>>>>>> >control...does such a thing exist?
>>>>>> >Also, for example, if you are in a 25mph zone and need to be
>>>>>> >about your speed, it's true that the cruise control will mostly
>>>>>> >be drawing power or in regen. But if you need to go 25mph in a 
>>>>>> >reasonably flat area, I wager it will do a better job of
>>>>>> >power use that you will.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Peri
>>>>>> >
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