Jan, thanks for the input on this. Lee I really appreciate the lead on the GE 
handbook, I downloaded it and indeed that circuit on pg 293 looks perfect for 
this project;  I am kind of helping / mentoring a friend of one of my sons with 
his project and he doesn't have anything for money so its a fantastic find. 
Looks like we can build it for under 10 bucks and it is simple and will do 
everything he needs it to do so its an "Occamatic" solution. One question tho, 
you said something about it needing a capacitor and looking at the schematic I 
don't see one, in the notes below the drawing (fig. 10.5) it says "A capacitor 
on the arm of R2 is not a cure because there will be no phase shift on the 
reference due  to full wave rectified charging." I wonder if an R/C drain to 
ground between the SCR and C1 might accomplish turning off the SCR quickly? 
Since this is a pm motor I will just leave out the field connection and diode 
piece. BTW, would you just put the 15 amp fuse in the "hot" AC lead before the 
bridge rectifier? Or is there a better place in the circuit? Thanks again, I 
really appreciate you you taking the time to offer advice. Dach. 

    On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 8:17 PM, Lee Hart via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> 

 Jan Steinman via EV wrote:
> Is this permanent, or temporary/intermittent use?

That's important, because while most treadmill motors have high advertised 
horsepower; in fact, they rarely deliver even a small fraction of that.
> I’d put a full-wave bridge rectifier as close to the motor as possible,
> and just call it a 120 VAC motor. Put a standard plug on it. Then you
> could plug it in to a wide variety of AC power control devices, as Lee
> suggests.

Good point! You do have to rectify the AC before it gets to the motor.

> Then, it sounds like a job for a good old-fashioned variac transformer.

That would work great if it can handle the current. Small variacs (rated at a 
few amps) are pretty common and inexpensive used. But ones big enough to handle 
15 amps continuously are quite a bit heavier and more expensive (like 20 lbs 

> Lee’s ideas will still produce AC, and so would work fine for a universal
> (series-wound) motor, but probably not for a permanent magnet motor

Definitely not for a PM motor. For some reason, I was thinking he had a 
universal motor, which doesn't care whether it's running on AC or DC.

Light dimmers typically use triacs, which are AC devices. But speed controls 
electric drills more often use SCRs, which do have a DC output. The circuits I 
mentioned from the GE SCR manual are all suitable for PM DC motors as well as 
shunt and series motors, because they use SCRs for control. SCRs are better 
suited to inductive loads.

> So, rectify that puppy, and lots more options become available!

Yes. :-)

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