> There are ground-based heat pumps ... via a network of buried pipes...
> But this can get very expensive. The decision is economic: How many
> thousands of dollars will you spend to save a dollar a month?

Well the math is easy.  I was spending $3000 a year on heating oil (1000
gallons).
My Ground Source heatpump now heats the house for about $1000 worth of
(utility) electricity a year.  That saves me $2000 a year, or $20,000 over
ten years and more than paid for the added cost of the deep wells.

And I plan on living for another 25 or so...  The wells last "forever" and
any replacement indoor units are the same whether it is geothermal or not.
So I figure the $40,000 or so savings over the remaining time in that
house is much more than a "dollar a month"...

AND my house is solar, so in effect, my electricity is actually FREE after
the 10 year amortorization.
SO in the second 10 years, my savings are $3000 a year or $30,000 for the
next decade and so on.

>> Heatpump water heater heating at one third the electric energy
>> cost still beats a tankless hands down.

> That's true in the right circumstances. But you can't assume they
>  are always right. How long is it between when the water is heated,
> and when it is used? The longer it sits, the higher your standby losses.

> The demand heater doesn't lose any energy to these standby losses.

But I use hot water every day, morning and evening.  I adjust the capacity
(by adjusting the termprature) so that we only maintain the hot water we
need.

> The savings are hard to estimate because they depend so much on where
> you live, and your lifestyle. Is the heater in a hot garage, or a cold
basement?
> How much hot water do you use a day? Just one person, or a big family?

Yep, anyone installing a water heater should of course size it to their
needs in that installation.

> In my case (water heater in MN basement, a 2-person household that uses
> less than 10 gal/day) a heat pump water heater is uneconomical compared
to gas.

But if one has an anathema to continuing to burn a fossil fuel and
continuing dependence on the utility gas company for fuel every month
forever, then a heatpump water heater is ideal, since it can run on your
own home-produced solar power....

> Problems that go away by themselves will be back with friends.

I like that.
Bob
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