As a person who frequently uses the term "Foolcell" Amen. Lawrence
Rhodes...Lets Bust the Myth that Fuel Cells are a clean solution.
On Monday, December 17, 2018, 5:16:03 AM PST, robert winfield
<winfield...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm unsure whom directed this response, but since it quotes my post i will
respondMark,I have been reading this list for a lot of years and developed the
distinct impression that you have a hydrogen vehicle bias over EV'sif that is
wrong, i apologize for misreading your many comments over the many years.
I posted virtually the same response at least once, vis a vis an _already_
extant electrical grid with billions if not trillions of outlest versus the
hurclean task of building a duplicate fueling structure for hydrogen for what
seems to me the sole purpose of keeping the fossil fuel industry from dying
rapidly instead of it's present slower inevitable death
I seem to recall back then you may have had a differnant email or signature
file, something to do with hydrogen.if i recall that incorrectly, again
apologies, but only minimal
If you do simple physics, its somewhere around 4 electrons to get 1 H but I
don't have the equations handy (IE a 75% loss just starting, and it goes to 90%
or greater by the end of the process, worse than gasoline as oil is somewhat
"pre processed" but messy, but does continue the fossil fuel agenda
I seriously regret getting a plug in hybrid gas-electric myself, but a car
wreck forced my hand, along with some brain damage from the wreck and lack of
funds and income
If you still support the Hydrogen economy, what's _your_ excuse?
It's tough to have an opposing opinion from the people that sign your paychecks
at times
however, this is a forum supposedly for electric vehicle discussion, EV
hobbiests, and such and not the Hydrogen fool cell folks, so can folks go back
to that.
On Sunday, December 16, 2018, 12:47:27 PM EST, Mark Abramowitz
<ma...@enviropolicy.com> wrote:
I think that you are ascribing to me statements I never made in my post.
I’m happy to correct you about your comments about infrastructure and “winners”
and “losers”, but perhaps when I have time and in another thread.
I was just responding to Lawrence’s claim that fast refueling and a similar
customer experience were “myths”.
- Mark
Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
On Dec 16, 2018, at 5:54 AM, robert winfield <winfield...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mark_your_ statement puzzles me about HydrogenAt least the continental US has
an electrical grid, part of which my uncles helped build in the 1920'sThere are
literally Billions of electrical outlets if not trillions, all supplying
electricity.Why on earth should be build another grid to supply Hydrogen when
we ALREADY have a grid?
I fail to understand why you want to, at enormous, useless expense, duplicate
an existing infrastructure.
Money and thought have already spoken, decisions have been made over the last
100+ yearshydrogen is the loser and electricity the winner.
On Saturday, December 15, 2018, 3:45:06 PM EST, Mark Abramowitz via EV
<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
“I think the idea is that it
takes too long to recharge an EV and that hydrogen offers the convenience
of a quick refuel; similar to an ICE refill.
This is the myth big business wants to purvey.”
This statement puzzles me.
Hydrogen DOES offer a quick refill, similar to a gasoline refill. In fact, the
industry spent a lot to make the experience to consumers as close to a gas
refill as possible.
Why do you think that’s a myth?
- Mark
Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> On Dec 14, 2018, at 10:29 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> wrote:
>
> I think the idea is that it
> takes too long to recharge an EV and that hydrogen offers the convenience
> of a quick refuel; similar to an ICE refill.
> This is the myth big business wants to purvey.
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