Willie, 

Fuel cell vehicles are NOT off-topic (check the charter), but I put OT in there 
just because I thought that this particular conversation was OT - but perhaps 
it isn’t OT.

Is there a future? Not really the subject of the post, and also a question I’m 
not sure how I would ever answer a question like that with a “source”. So I’ll 
avoid thread-crapping my own thread.

Yes, decarbonized hydrogen can absolutely include cracked water. I don’t know 
what the original intent of the Hydrogen Council was, but I would think that it 
would also include non-petroleum based natural gas.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2018, at 4:33 AM, Willie via EV <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/20/18 7:49 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
>> Sorry, that last part should read “though unintentionally”
>> - Mark
>> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>>> On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Mark Abramowitz <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some of you know that I’ve been an advocate for BEVs for a number of 
>>> decades, and of hydrogen fuel cell EVs (the “other” electric vehicle) for a 
>>> bit less.
> 
> Assuming hydrogen vehicles are off topic here as you indicate, perhaps you 
> can point me to information that supports your apparent belief that there is 
> a future for hydrogen?
> 
> I supposed "decarbonized hydrogen" is from electrically "cracked" water 
> rather than from natural gas?  Will any source you cite address the 
> efficiency and distribution problems?
> 
> Hydrogen does seem like a very obvious dead end to me but I'm open to 
> additional information.  I do find it intriguing that Toyota, Nikola and 
> others seem so willing to pour money down an apparent rat hole.  Though I do 
> understand that Toyota's primary motivation is delay of EV progress.
> 
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