I don’t see anything in the statement that said HOW they were going to decarbonize the generation of hydrogen. The only method I know is the inefficient use of electricity to hydrolyze hydrogen from water. Yes, that can work in places where surplus electricity is abundant… but is still quite inefficient and the energy returned is still double the cost of electricity (at about 4 cents per kWh wholesale).
Plus another 25% to compress it for use in “tanks” for cars. Not even mentioning the total lack of any kind of distribution system… compared to the outlet in everyone’s garage and parking lot. IMHO the only thing that might eventually be useful is from huge truck-depot to truck-depot for long haul where only a single hydrogen station is needed. Bob *From:* Mark Abramowitz <[email protected]> *Sent:* Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:46 PM *To:* Robert Bruninga <[email protected]> *Cc:* Electric Vehicle Discussion List <[email protected]> *Subject:* Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid Hey, it’s more than that in the statement, if you read carefully. But you obviously have an FUD agenda, so the statement wasn’t really meant for you. I won’t respond to you again. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone On Dec 20, 2018, at 8:28 PM, Robert Bruninga <[email protected]> wrote: But just setting a goal to produce "carbon free hydrogen" is still just snake oil, hog wash that can never compete with EVs. bob : > On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Mark Abramowitz <[email protected]> wrote: > > Some of you know that I’ve been an advocate for BEVs for a number of decades, and of hydrogen fuel cell EVs (the “other” electric vehicle) for a bit less. > > In my day job, I recommend and advocate major funding of both battery electrics and hydrogen fuel cell applications. > > One of my many volunteer roles (“working for free” as Bruce would put it) is serving as Immediate Past Chair of the California Hydrogen Business Council. > > As some of you may know, the renewable content of hydrogen used in transportation exceeds that of the grid. And the industry itself is on a path of 100% carbon-free hydrogen . > > Not long ago, the Hydrogen Council, made up of the CEOs of leaders in the industry, released a formal policy supporting 100% carbon-free in transportation hydrogen by 2030. This is 15 years before the 100% carbon-free grid date of 2045 adopted by the California legislature. > > Tomorrow a release will go out announcing the support of this policy by the California Hydrogen Business Council. > > The adopted language follows. For those of you who have completely misstated the facts, though intentionally, I hope that you will read it carefully. > > December 18, 2018 > > CHBC Endorses Full Decarbonization Goal of Hydrogen in Transportation by 2030 > > The California Hydrogen Business Council (CHBC) on behalf of its members is pleased to endorse the commitment of the Hydrogen Council to the goal of decarbonizing 100% of hydrogen fuel used in transport by 2030. > > The goal was announced by the Hydrogen Council on September 14, 2018 at the Global Climate Action Summit in San Francisco, hosted by Governor Brown: > > “The Hydrogen Council, a global CEO coalition bringing together 50+ leaders in the energy, transport and industry space, is committed to an ambitious goal of ensuring that 100% of hydrogen fuel used in different modes of transportation is decarbonised by 2030. We are therefore calling on governments to build a global alliance that will create the necessary regulatory frameworks to help make this commitment a reality. Transport may be our first target, but with right level of support we will see positive effects across many sectors. We believe hydrogen can play a key role in the clean energy transition and we are ready to work together with governments to help create the right technical, financial and legislative environment that will enable decarbonised hydrogen to scale up.” > > Through this commitment to the 2030 goal, hydrogen for transportation can achieve full decarbonization 15 years ahead of the SB 100 mandate of 100% carbon-free electricity by 2045. Attainment of the stated goal of 100% carbon-free hydrogen fuel by 2030 will maintain the position of hydrogen fuel cell electric drive as the lowest-carbon alternative among electric drive solutions. > The hydrogen industry is committed to helping California dramatically reduce emissions despite increasing transportation demand by providing a clean fuel that has proven itself in both on- and off-road applications and is emerging as an important alternative to diesel in marine, rail and port applications. > > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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