?? What are you responding to? My comment about greening the grid?
Be clear? (And chill out). - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 27, 2018, at 1:08 AM, Peter Eckhoff via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > But what about **your** sources??? You were asked for your references. > Your spiel is well and good if the economic efficiencies are there. Who > has made breakthroughs and where can they read the same things you are > reading? > > I made a list of the hydrogen economy weaknesses years ago and would have > no problems switching economically if the issues have been solved. > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 1:12 AM Mark Abramowitz via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > >> We’ve made incredible progress over just the last few years in greening >> the grid. >> >> By 2045, it should be 100% renewable. By 2030, transportation hydrogen >> should be 100% renewable. >> >> (BTW, if you think that nothing else has changed in hydrogen technology in >> the last several years, there is something wrong with your sources) >> >> - Mark >> >> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >> >>> On Dec 26, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Darryl McMahon via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> wrote: >>> >>> We don't have to guess at the California electricity mix. >>> >>> >> https://www.energy.ca.gov/almanac/electricity_data/total_system_power.html >>> >>> (rounding to nearest percent for simplicity) >>> >>> 29% from renewables other than large hydro >>> >>> 15% from large hydro >>> >>> 9% from nuclear (not renewable, but reasonably low emissions impact from >> an existing plant - final disposition of spent fuel still to be solved) >>> >>> 4% from coal >>> >>> 34% from natural gas (fossil) >>> >>> 9% unidentified >>> >>> That's what shows up on the grid. It does not include those producing >> off-grid, or generating for in-house use (e.g. household PV used behind the >> meter). >>> >>> Greener grid means greener EV use. >>> >>> As for using hydrogen as a transportation fuel for light vehicles in >> typical missions (commuting, errand running, occasional longer trips), I >> looked into this early in this century, and kept some track since. Things >> have not changed much on the technology side in the intervening period for >> hydrogen vehicles, other than using bigger storage at higher pressure. >>> >>> Darryl McMahon >>> Author, award-winning book: The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy (2006) >>> (on digest mode, so don't expect quick responses) >>> >>>> On 12/26/2018 4:09 PM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote: >>>> Message: 6 >>>> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 20:53:47 +0000 (UTC) >>>> From: Lawrence Rhodes<primobass...@sbcglobal.net> >>>> To:ev@lists.evdl.org >>>> Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner? >>>> Message-ID:<1956029850.2785592.1545857627...@mail.yahoo.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> California uses mostly hydro at night.? There are natural gas plants >> for high demand.? I think that is how it works or should work.? Lawrence >> Rhodes >>> >>> -- >>> Darryl McMahon >>> Freelance Project Manager (sustainable systems) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20181227/b87fcbb5/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
