Thanks.

So the correct conclusion would be, for those cars which have poor winter range, that the cell internal resistance is too low to heat the cell ?

Also, that the cell voltage is lower during cold temps (while under load), resulting in less Wh ?

Peri

------ Original Message ------
From: "Lee Hart" <[email protected]>
To: "Peri Hartman" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: 10-Sep-19 10:25:44 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] li ion battery in cold weather

Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
Ok, so the correct assumption would be that the Leaf and Bolt cells
don't have enough internal resistance, thus the performance stays poor
in cold weather ?

Let me try to simplify it. There are huge differences between the various types 
of lithium cell constructions and chemistries. Don't assume that the same rules 
apply to all of them. It's like assuming that all dogs are alike. They may all 
be dogs; but there are vast differences between them!

The old Thundersky cells had very high internal resistance; more than 10 times higher 
than modern cells. Since the resistance was so high, it was a more effective 
"heater". They also had a very thick plastic case, which insulated and trapped 
the heat. So Cedric's trick worked.

It won't work for modern low-resistance cells with good cooling. Loading a cold 
cell with high current will cause a little heating (which helps). But it will 
also cause significant damage from side effects. The normal chemical reactions 
can't supply the current due to the cold; so this forces side reactions to take 
place, damaging the cell.

Lee Hart

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