Peri, Did you see the pics in the article I linked? This was clearly a production forest with "utility pole" pine trees, ready for harvesting. Without Tesla, these trees would have been cut in a few years anyway for harvest and re-planted. The only effect of Tesla's Gigafactory that I see is that they are cut by a globally visible entity, so some "news" outlets can raise some hackles and the trees are cut at an earlier moment than they were going to anyway, only to be replaced 3-fold which is not a bad thing in my book. Cor.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 11:05 AM Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > That's nice. But it's important to know about the forest being cut down. > If it is a young forest and were already planned to be cut in another 10 > years or so, no big deal. But if it's old growth (I don't think that > even exists in western Europe), it's a different story. > > Well, Tesla is in the news about this and it will be interesting, as > David says, to see how they react. > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Cor van de Water via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Cc: "Cor van de Water" <cor.vandewa...@gmail.com> > Sent: 18-Feb-20 11:43:02 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Germany stops Tesla's Gigafactory > > >Part of the story that is not showing in many publications: > > > >Statement from Tesla: "We aim to replant an area three times the > >factory plot, with mixed trees native to their habitat and the > >potential to become an old growth forest, while working with > >environmental and other expert groups for the best possible outcome," > >https://abcnews.go.com/Business/court-asks-tesla-temporarily-stop-cutting-trees-site/story?id=69029497 > > > >Also remember that Musk donated 1,000,000 trees for TeamTrees.org > >https://teamtrees.org/ > > > >Cor. > > > >On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:13 PM EVDL Administrator via EV > ><ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > >> > >> On 18 Feb 2020 at 18:29, Willie via EV wrote: > >> > >> > Should I propose a vote on the most idiotic EVDL post? > >> > Two responders treated you EXTREMELY gently. > >> > >> This kind of response isn't in the collegial spirit we try for on the > >> EVDL, > >> and it's not very helpful. Let's discuss EVs, not EVDL members, please. > >> > >> I'm conflicted about the German "gigafactory" situation. Europe needs EVs > >> to even approach their already meager carbon reduction goals, but they > >> also > >> need to preserve what few forests remain there for the same reason. > >> > >> That said, we don't have many details here. Could Tesla have found > >> already > >> developed land that they could re-develop? Why did they choose an area > >> where they'd have to mow down so many trees? It would help if we knew. > >> > >> Someone said that if Tesla didn't clear the land and build there, another > >> company would. But anyone who'd build there can also build elsewhere. > >> Tesla isn't preventing the other (possibly less desirable) development by > >> building there. > >> > >> In the end, they're turning a green area into concrete and asphalt. You > >> just can't sugar-coat that. > >> > >> EVs are part of what the world needs, but they're not the full answer by > >> any > >> means. They leave footprints too, and because most of Tesla's cars tend > >> to > >> be bulky and overpowered (the 3 is less of a blunderbuss, thank goodness), > >> Tesla's environmental footprints are arguably deeper than some other EVs' > >> are. I have to admit, though, that just as with ICEVs, EVs seem to be > >> rapidly moving in the "bigger is better" direction; so that distinction > >> may > >> not last. > >> > >> Appearances count. When an EV company appears to be flouting > >> environmental > >> law, as Tesla seems to be doing here, or at least straining against it, > >> that > >> doesn't help the company's "green cred." It just gives the EV naysayers > >> more ammunition for their attack. > >> > >> I think Musk needs to give some ground, but his behavior history doesn't > >> make me confident that he will. Already I read a few obviously thoughtful > >> and well-educated people online - people in the prime demographic and > >> psychographic categories for EV purchasing - who are clearly less than > >> impressed with the way Tesla is carrying on their business. This may end > >> up > >> being yet another self-inflicted PR wound for Tesla. > >> > >> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > >> EVDL Administrator > >> > >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >> EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >> Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > >> reach me. 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