On 18 Feb 2020 at 18:29, Willie via EV wrote: > Should I propose a vote on the most idiotic EVDL post? > Two responders treated you EXTREMELY gently.
This kind of response isn't in the collegial spirit we try for on the EVDL, and it's not very helpful. Let's discuss EVs, not EVDL members, please. I'm conflicted about the German "gigafactory" situation. Europe needs EVs to even approach their already meager carbon reduction goals, but they also need to preserve what few forests remain there for the same reason. That said, we don't have many details here. Could Tesla have found already developed land that they could re-develop? Why did they choose an area where they'd have to mow down so many trees? It would help if we knew. Someone said that if Tesla didn't clear the land and build there, another company would. But anyone who'd build there can also build elsewhere. Tesla isn't preventing the other (possibly less desirable) development by building there. In the end, they're turning a green area into concrete and asphalt. You just can't sugar-coat that. EVs are part of what the world needs, but they're not the full answer by any means. They leave footprints too, and because most of Tesla's cars tend to be bulky and overpowered (the 3 is less of a blunderbuss, thank goodness), Tesla's environmental footprints are arguably deeper than some other EVs' are. I have to admit, though, that just as with ICEVs, EVs seem to be rapidly moving in the "bigger is better" direction; so that distinction may not last. Appearances count. When an EV company appears to be flouting environmental law, as Tesla seems to be doing here, or at least straining against it, that doesn't help the company's "green cred." It just gives the EV naysayers more ammunition for their attack. I think Musk needs to give some ground, but his behavior history doesn't make me confident that he will. Already I read a few obviously thoughtful and well-educated people online - people in the prime demographic and psychographic categories for EV purchasing - who are clearly less than impressed with the way Tesla is carrying on their business. This may end up being yet another self-inflicted PR wound for Tesla. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
