It would be interesting to know their rational. It could be that they want more uniformity on their load. If someone has their own solar panels, then on good days, they have no load but at night and bad days they do. Thus, the energy company still has to have capacity for that customer. The more storage the customer has, the less risk of reducing capacity (or using it elsewhere). Still, if the customer is on the grid, it would seem to make more sense for the storage to be on the grid, too, unless the customer doesn't want that.

Peri

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------ Original Message ------
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruni...@usna.edu>
To: "Peri Hartman" <pe...@kotatko.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Sent: 20-May-20 7:00:32 AM
Subject: RE: [EVDL] pack-aging: Tesla has V2G (Home batteries)

What is amazing to me is that Maryland offers Tax credits for Home storage
up to $5k.  But ONLY if it is independent for b ackup and not connected to
the grid!  Clearly their "green" guys had no clue.  I can see no
environmental benefit to home standby batteries, compared to grid-tied peak
supply.

Maybe one advantage is simply increased battery purchases to help bring long
term costs down, but that is something like a 2nd or 3rd order benefit.

-----Original Message-----
From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:55 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com>
Subject: Re: [EVDL] pack-aging: Tesla has V2G

At some point, we're going to need lots of grid storage. Right now, the mix
of wind and solar is relatively low. But as that increases, we'll need
storage capacity to span non generative periods. During transition, we can
still rely on natural gas power plants and others. Eventually, we'll simply
need storage, and lots of it. There are various forms of storage, such as
hydro, flywheel, hydrogen, or battery.

Having distributed battery storage sounds like a good part of the mix, to
me. Whether they're individually owned or provided by the energy company,
we'll see. Probably a bunch of options will appear. And we'll see a bunch of
different scales of storage: homeowner, business complex, substation, energy
plant.

Peri

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------ Original Message ------
From: "paul dove via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: "paul dove" <dov...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: 20-May-20 5:03:34 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] pack-aging: Tesla has V2G

I would consider it if I had a million mile battery also if Tesla owned the
battery so that when the range dropped I get it replaced free.

You can save a lot of money with DIY or just owning your own power
generation maybe in the long run but lots of people will pay more gladly if
someone else is in charge of keeping it operational.



Sent from my iPhone

  On May 19, 2020, at 10:59 PM, Alan Arrison via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
 wrote:

  People don't care about feeding the grid, they want to be able to use
 their big battery to run their house when the grid goes down. Oops, this
 would kill sales of their powerwall.

  On 5/19/2020 9:28 PM, evln via EV wrote:
  Here what I was going to post, read:

https://electrek.co/2020/05/19/tesla-bidirectional-charging-ready-gam
e-changing-features/
  Tesla quietly adds bidirectional charging capability for
game-changing new
  features
  May. 19th 2020 ... Both CEO Elon Musk and cofounder and former CTO
JB
  Straubel have expressed concerns about enabling bidirectional
charging in
  Tesla vehicles due to the potential of accelerated battery
degradation and
  also the moderate value with a relatively small fleet. In a recent
filing
  with the Texas electric utility commission in which Tesla was
responding to
  questions about how electric utilities should approach electric
vehicles,
  the automaker summarized its view of vehicle to grid technology: ...
https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/05/Nissan-bidirec
tional-charging.jpg




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