Very good point! Thanks so much for the insight.
Yes, Gas generators are terrible emitters. A lawn mower spews as many toxins in an hour of lawn mowing than a modern car (with cat-converter) does in 11 days of commuting. A generator, the same or more.. So good idea, that the clean-air benefit of backup batteries is a good investment in cleaner air. Thanks Bob *From:* paul dove <dov...@bellsouth.net> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2020 2:46 PM *To:* Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List < ev@lists.evdl.org> *Cc:* Robert Bruninga <bruni...@usna.edu> *Subject:* Re: [EVDL] pack-aging: Tesla has V2G (Home batteries) I suppose a battery in place of a generator for loss of grid. On Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 10:00:48 AM CDT, Robert Bruninga via EV < ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: What is amazing to me is that Maryland offers Tax credits for Home storage up to $5k. But ONLY if it is independent for b ackup and not connected to the grid! Clearly their "green" guys had no clue. I can see no environmental benefit to home standby batteries, compared to grid-tied peak supply. Maybe one advantage is simply increased battery purchases to help bring long term costs down, but that is something like a 2nd or 3rd order benefit. -----Original Message----- From: EV <ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org> On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:55 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com> Subject: Re: [EVDL] pack-aging: Tesla has V2G At some point, we're going to need lots of grid storage. Right now, the mix of wind and solar is relatively low. But as that increases, we'll need storage capacity to span non generative periods. During transition, we can still rely on natural gas power plants and others. Eventually, we'll simply need storage, and lots of it. There are various forms of storage, such as hydro, flywheel, hydrogen, or battery. Having distributed battery storage sounds like a good part of the mix, to me. Whether they're individually owned or provided by the energy company, we'll see. Probably a bunch of options will appear. And we'll see a bunch of different scales of storage: homeowner, business complex, substation, energy plant. Peri << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ <https://quietcleanseattle.org/%20>>> ------ Original Message ------ From: "paul dove via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: "paul dove" <dov...@bellsouth.net> Sent: 20-May-20 5:03:34 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] pack-aging: Tesla has V2G >I would consider it if I had a million mile battery also if Tesla owned the >battery so that when the range dropped I get it replaced free. > >You can save a lot of money with DIY or just owning your own power >generation maybe in the long run but lots of people will pay more gladly if >someone else is in charge of keeping it operational. > > > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 19, 2020, at 10:59 PM, Alan Arrison via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >> wrote: >> >> People don't care about feeding the grid, they want to be able to use >> their big battery to run their house when the grid goes down. Oops, this >> would kill sales of their powerwall. >> >>> On 5/19/2020 9:28 PM, evln via EV wrote: >>> Here what I was going to post, read: >>> >>>https://electrek.co/2020/05/19/tesla-bidirectional-charging-ready-gam >>>e-changing-features/ >>> Tesla quietly adds bidirectional charging capability for >>>game-changing new >>> features >>> May. 19th 2020 ... Both CEO Elon Musk and cofounder and former CTO >>>JB >>> Straubel have expressed concerns about enabling bidirectional >>>charging in >>> Tesla vehicles due to the potential of accelerated battery >>>degradation and >>> also the moderate value with a relatively small fleet. In a recent >>>filing >>> with the Texas electric utility commission in which Tesla was >>>responding to >>> questions about how electric utilities should approach electric >>>vehicles, >>> the automaker summarized its view of vehicle to grid technology: ... >>>https://electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/05/Nissan-bidirec >>>tional-charging.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> For EVLN EV-newswire posts view: >>>http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >>>https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html >>> >>> >>> {brucedp.neocities.org} >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: >>> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >>> INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >> INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> > >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html >INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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