Unless you have disabled/removed the OnStar radio, they have ALL of the data 
they want fed to them continuously.

Even if you don't pay for the OnStar package, the radio is still active and 
uploading data to OnStar.  I don't pay for onstar, but I used to use the 
Volt-stats website (it's shutting down in a couple days) and it has all kinds 
of information about my car, fuel use, electricity consumption, etc.


My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key

April 22, 2021 2:16 PM, "Robert Bruninga via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:

>> A used vehicle does not generally have that,
> 
> The voltec warranty on my used chevy Volt was still valid through the
> original 150,000 miles and 8 years.
> 
> I bought it 3 years old coming off lease from a dealer and that gives
> a good sense of reliability as any original issues and warranty
> problems were behind it. Guy wanted $14,000, I got it for $12,500 .
> A great deal in my opinion
> 
> And that for the best EV ever made... ;-)
> 
> At the 7 year 6 mo point it gave an error signal to Check HV charging
> system and would not charge. I took it to dealer for first time and
> they did a code-load or something that solved it at no cost. I am
> convinced it was a pre-programmed fault included in the original code
> to give GM a chance to read the condition of the car as design
> feedback. Otherwise, since it had never been back to the dealier in 5
> years, the GM system had never seen the car and had no data on its
> condition..
> 
> bob.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 2:31 PM Jim Walls via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 04/22/2021 10:09, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
>> Also worth considering: the huge, jaw-dropping depreciation on some EVs
>> should give us pause. That tells us what value vehicle customers actually
>> attach to them, and it's not good news for the EV movement. Tesla is a
>> notable outlier, however.
>> 
>> This i just my opinion, but a new vehicle generally has a warrantee that
>> will cover a battery (OK, some better than others). A used vehicle does
>> not generally have that, and a battery replacement is EXPENSIVE. Again,
>> my opinion, but after range anxiety, battery replacement cost is likely
>> the #2 public issue with EVs - particularly a used one.
>> 
>> They want to sit up high and not have to bend down to get in the
>> vehicle.
>> Citation needed. This sounds to me like a personal anecdote.
>> 
>> I'm 62 as of a few days ago and I can certainly agree with that
>> statement. When I get into my wife's Toyota Corolla, it is much harder
>> to fold myself in half and crawl down to get into it, than with a taller
>> vehicle. My primary vehicle is a RAM 2500 4x4 pickup which is sort of
>> the other direction, you have to step up to get in, but the door is far
>> larger so it is MUCH easier. And before someone asks, yes, I do NEED
>> and use the large heavy duty 4x4 vehicle on a somewhat regular basis.
>> 
>> --
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