I guess you missed the first sentence.. . compared to a BEV? My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key
August 17, 2021 6:50 PM, "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <[email protected]> wrote: > Your question is a good one, though unclear. > > *Which* people? Are you asking about the advantage to a consumer? A > manufacturer? A policy maker? > > Your “tons of disadvantages” can also be applied to BEVs or. At simply be not > accurate. > > Higher cost to build? Well, yeah. But don’t BEVs cost more to build, too, > than an ICE? Go back a > few years ago, when battery costs were so much higher, even more so. The look > at the cost > differentials when the first modern ones came out, and it was early in the > development cycle. > Remember the first Priuses? It took years for the first profit, and then > became California’s > top-selling car. Long term is the cost higher? And if it is, what’s the > benefit (and advantages)? > > Higher cost to operate. For the consumer? Really? No fuel cost (for three > years, at least). I > understand that maybe it’s more complicated than that, but just don’t put a > zero on the cost of > charging. Maintenance cost? Maybe higher, I don’t know. > > Lower efficiency. Lower efficiency of what, and to whom? > > No existing infrastructure. Again, this all depends. If you have access to a > station and 5 minutes > to fill every 300 miles or so, that’s plenty . The problem is that right NOW, > everyone doesn’t have > that. But that’s the same on the BEV side, though depending on the use, *can* > be less of an issue > because of home charging. I say “can” because we are needing to subsidize > non-residential charging > to the tune of billions, so apparently it’s essential (or we are wasting > money). Perhaps that is > the case because, unless most of us here that think that residential charging > could be sufficient > for most, the California Energy Commission thinks differently. Their surveys > have caused them to > conclude that the biggest barrier for people buying BEVs is “lack of > infrastructure.” On both the > BEV and FCEV side that’s just a matter of time getting the infrastructure in. > But guess what? At > scale, infrastructure for FCEVs will be cheaper than BEVs, at least according > to a McKinsey study, > and I believe the U.S. Dept. of Energy. Hence their “H2 at Scale” initiative. > I’ve seen some work > that indicates that even today, it’s cheaper. > > I won’t weigh in with my list of advantages of FCEVs, but will enjoy seeing > the lists of others in > answer to your question. > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > >> On Aug 17, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> What, exactly, do people see as the advantage(s) of a FCEV over a BEV? >> >> There are tons of disadvantages, higher cost to build, higher cost to >> operate, lower efficiency, no >> existing infrastructure, etc.; so what is the big advantage that would make >> them worth while? >> _______________________________________________ >> Address messages to [email protected] >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to [email protected] > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
