I understood that. But advantage over a BEV to *whom*? A consumer, a manufacturer, and a policymaker all will view an FCEV compared to a BEV very differently.
- Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 17, 2021, at 8:17 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > I guess you missed the first sentence.. . compared to a BEV? > > My PGP public key: https://vanderwal.us/evdl_pgp.key > > August 17, 2021 6:50 PM, "Mark Abramowitz via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > >> Your question is a good one, though unclear. >> >> *Which* people? Are you asking about the advantage to a consumer? A >> manufacturer? A policy maker? >> >> Your “tons of disadvantages” can also be applied to BEVs or. At simply be >> not accurate. >> >> Higher cost to build? Well, yeah. But don’t BEVs cost more to build, too, >> than an ICE? Go back a >> few years ago, when battery costs were so much higher, even more so. The >> look at the cost >> differentials when the first modern ones came out, and it was early in the >> development cycle. >> Remember the first Priuses? It took years for the first profit, and then >> became California’s >> top-selling car. Long term is the cost higher? And if it is, what’s the >> benefit (and advantages)? >> >> Higher cost to operate. For the consumer? Really? No fuel cost (for three >> years, at least). I >> understand that maybe it’s more complicated than that, but just don’t put a >> zero on the cost of >> charging. Maintenance cost? Maybe higher, I don’t know. >> >> Lower efficiency. Lower efficiency of what, and to whom? >> >> No existing infrastructure. Again, this all depends. If you have access to a >> station and 5 minutes >> to fill every 300 miles or so, that’s plenty . The problem is that right >> NOW, everyone doesn’t have >> that. But that’s the same on the BEV side, though depending on the use, >> *can* be less of an issue >> because of home charging. I say “can” because we are needing to subsidize >> non-residential charging >> to the tune of billions, so apparently it’s essential (or we are wasting >> money). Perhaps that is >> the case because, unless most of us here that think that residential >> charging could be sufficient >> for most, the California Energy Commission thinks differently. Their surveys >> have caused them to >> conclude that the biggest barrier for people buying BEVs is “lack of >> infrastructure.” On both the >> BEV and FCEV side that’s just a matter of time getting the infrastructure >> in. But guess what? At >> scale, infrastructure for FCEVs will be cheaper than BEVs, at least >> according to a McKinsey study, >> and I believe the U.S. Dept. of Energy. Hence their “H2 at Scale” >> initiative. I’ve seen some work >> that indicates that even today, it’s cheaper. >> >> I won’t weigh in with my list of advantages of FCEVs, but will enjoy seeing >> the lists of others in >> answer to your question. >> >> - Mark >> >> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >> >>>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >>>> wrote: >>> >>> What, exactly, do people see as the advantage(s) of a FCEV over a BEV? >>> >>> There are tons of disadvantages, higher cost to build, higher cost to >>> operate, lower efficiency, no >>> existing infrastructure, etc.; so what is the big advantage that would make >>> them worth while? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >>> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive >>> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
