> You are definitely in great shape for at-home charging. Hopefully that is > usually sufficient for > you.
We bought the Chevy Volt in 2017 and the Chevy Bolt in 2019. I have never paid to charge the Volt, mostly it gets charged at home but occasionally it gets charged using one of the thousands of free Level-2 charging stations. We have driven the Volt up to Oregon a couple times to visit my mom (~1500 miles each way) and I have driven out to San Jose a couple times (~900 miles). My wife an I are both in our late fifties so we no longer like to do marathon driving trips, so we typically only drive 8-10 hours a day one long trips. Our criteria for selecting hotels is that they offer free EV charging, which is actually becomming pretty common these days. We almost always stop in Blyth for an hour or two to take a break and use the free charger there, and usually stop somewhere between LA and Sacremento to take a break and use one of the free chargers there. On the trips to my mom's only about 200 miles (each way) is done on electric, the rest of the trip uses about 30 gallons of gas (each way) On the trips to San Jose each way is about 120-130 miles on electric and about 19 gallons of gas. I haven't tried these trips with the Bolt yet because the DC fast chargers needed to get from Phoenix to California weren't installed until last year. However, I have driven the bolt to Phoenix and back(190 miles each way) once and numerous times to Tucson and back (90 miles each way) In the 2 years I've owned the Bolt I have only twice paid to charge it. Once just to see how it worked to use a DC fast charger, and a second time because I drove up to the Tucson Airport expecting to park it there and charge for free using level-1 charging (plenty fast enough for a 2-3 day trip) only to have the trip rescheduled at the last minute and I didn't have enough charge to get back home, so I spent ~10 minutes and $5 using the DC fast charger near the airport rather than spending a couple hours using a free level-2 charger. > On the hydrogen side, the $16.50 price was correct in 2019. The article I got that number from was pusblish in late 2020, can you offer a link to anything proving your claim? >The price is NOT subsidized by California. The cost of fuel normally includes the cost to recoup the cost of building the station, since California paid for 80% of the Station they ARE subsidizing the cost of the fuel. > With the newer stations and greater competition they are starting to come > down and will > come down. Again, can you offer any proof of that? > But the consumer doesn’t pay that, with one exception. They pay nothing for > three years. All Teslas sold before 2017 come with lifetime free supercharging, model S and X come with lifetime free supercharging. , model 3 and Y come with 1 year of free supercharging. Destination charger (level 2) are almost always free. VW comes with 3 years of free charging, the Ionic comes with 1 year of free charging, I believe Nissan used to offer free charging. This is in addition to the thousands of EV charging stations that are free to everyone. A far as I can tell, every state in the Union has at least 50 free charging stations, most have several hundred. > The OEMs pick that up, and offer even more perks to the “pioneers” (things > like free car rentals). > Most lease, but if you bought, like I did for my first one, it becomes > expensive after three years. > > > The cost of stations *is* subsidized by California (as is EVSE), but the > stations are not costing > $2 million. I think the earlier ones did, but costs are coming down. My guess > is the last group of > funded stations were $1.25M per station with four times the fueling bays, and > 5-10 times the fuel > capacity of the previous ones. That’s an educated guess, but the recent > numbers are out there. > > The amount of subsidy, in %, has also dropped significantly. I think it’s > only 40%, but don’t trust > my memory. Again, the $2 million figure, with $1.6 million subsidy was from an artical publishdd last year, can you offer any proof of your claims? > > Your use of cost of electricity per station (which seems *very* cheap) isn’t > the right number to > use, as most hydrogen is not produced at the station. If you are assuming the > electricity rates > that you may know at charging stations (a guess on my part), I think that > would be wrong anyway, > because I think that EVSE get special rates that electrolyzers don’t get. It doesn't matter where it's produced, unless you are making it from fossile fuels, etc. the ammount of electricty required is the same. The 7-9 cents is a widely published figure for California's "green" hydrogen. The vast majority of public EVSEs pay 'bussiness' rates for electricity which averages over 10 cents per kWh. One more time, since you keep ignoring this, assuming "green" hydrogen, it takes 3-4 times as much electricity per mile for FCEV vs BEV. There is nothing you can dream up that will change this, MAYBE sometime in the future that can bring that down to 2x as much, but that is currently a pipe dream. Assuming comparable costs for electricity, that makes Hydrogen 3-4 times as expensive BEFORE you start adding the extra costs for making Hydrogen (infrastructure costs, maintenance costs, etc.) Without special subsidies, green hydrogen will NEVER be as cheap to use as straight electricity. _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
