> Well, a history lesson for you….technically, yes, Honda did start producing > an FCX Clarity in 2008 > in Japan, and first available there. However, this was essentially a run of > demo vehicles with a > very limited number of people that were given them to try. Some key > influencers got them, like > several well-known actresses. I tried, but was unable to get one.
Whether or not 'you' could get one doesn't hange the fact that they were available to some people, so OBVIOUSLY their development had started. > On the BEV side, you’re forgetting the RAV4-EV in 1997, I think, and the EV1 > about that time, too, > and Honda also had one. I said "Moden EVs", those EVs did not use LiIon batteries. The rest of their EV drive train is the same as used by modern BEVs AS WELL AS FCEVs, so as far as 'development' goes they are irrelevant since their development is share by both BEVs and FCEVs If we want to make rediculous comparisons on development, well hydrogen Fuel Cells have been under continuous development for almost 180 years, whereas LiIon batteries have only been around for ~36 years > > Of the EVs you mentioned, really only the Tesla was comparable. I tried > unsuccessfully to get a FIT > EV, and that was a great car, but not car able to the FCEVs. And yes, the EVs > outsold the FCEVs in > 2012, in part because you could not buy a FCEV! So what you're saying is, when it comes to 'comparable' cars, FCEVs have been leading EVs? Why is it then that while there have been over a million BEVs sold, there have been less than 7,000 FCEVs sold? Be honest, what do you think this says about the future of FCEV vs BEVs? In the real world, not some imaginary daydream of yours. > In fact, it you look at sales numbers in California, they were outsold every > year. However, it you > compare the adoption curve for the EV with the FCEV, the curve is the same > for the two, just later > by seven years. I consider that remarkable given the limits in infrastructure > and other challenges. That's rediculous, there were more BEVs sold in California alone in 2011 than the TOTAL number of FCEVs sold (or leased) WORLD WIDE in the last million years. > > Fueling stations - I hadn’t noticed that you got the number of stations > wrong, only that you said > they were closing. But your comment about only five opening since 2017 is way > off. I think that at > least five have already opened just this year. Not according to the DOE. _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
