Paul,
You do not know how many people would benefit from having backup power
and, therefore, would be interested in using their EV battery for such.
According to EIA, the US average is about 1.4 power outages per
household per year with an average duration of about 4 hours. If you are
among that average or less, you might not care.
The number that would be more interesting is how many people lose power
for at least 20 hours at least once a year. However, I cannot find that
statistic. I would think many of those people would find V2G (or to
home) quite attractive.
Peri
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 108, Issue 3
Well, that is a little presumptuous. I never claimed no one needed it. I
claimed it wold not be a selling point for EV's. Not enough people are in that
situation to make a difference in sales. Besides my vehicle was $78,000. I
believe a house backup system can be purchased for much less than this amount.
I admit I haven't researched the number of power outages and could be wrong but
it seems implausible to me. Rural areas probably have more outages but then
they are left likely to buy an EV for any reason.
On Sunday, October 3, 2021, 9:29:58 PM CDT, Tim Economu via EV
<[email protected]> wrote:
" I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado
blew through. Not worth investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years."
That seems like a quaint world view to me. "I don't need it so no one else does
either" .
We have lived in rural America for the past 40 years and power is not so
consistent in a lot of places here in the US. We lose power every year numerous
times, for varying amounts of hours and days. I don't use fossil fuels much
anymore, so backup generators are not an option, and are a poor option for
those that do use fossils in my opinion. But I do have solar power and a small
battery bank, so recharging during a power outage is possible and is necessary
if we want to maintain power for water,refrigeration, electronics, and fresh
air inside our passive house.
To have an EV that will provide not only transportation but occasional power is
not a little thing, it's huge. Especially if you can recharge during the sunny
day. To have jobsite power is even bigger.
I do realize that it might be something that some people do not think is worth
spending money. But there are a lot of us out here that it would be worth
spending quite a lot of for that option. If it came as part of the package, all
the better.
I happen to believe that vehicle to grid is a game changer, kind of like Level
5 autonomy will be a game changer.
Tim Economu
Whidbey Island
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I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado blew
through. Not worth
investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years.
I agree it's not worth buying an EV JUST to use it as a backup power source.
However, most people buy EVs to drive. When deciding which EV to buy, one that
has the capability of powering your house in an emergency situation might just
be a deciding factor for many people.
FWIW I moved my critical loads (Fridge/Freezer, HVAC, etc.) to a new subpanel
with a transfer switch so that I could power my critical loads from my EVs
during a power outage.
Once we go off-grid this setup will allow me to get by with a smaller house
battery. Even if we get an extended period of low sunshine, either of my EVs
could power my critical loads for a week or two, which is more than long enough
wait out the stormy weather.
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Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 14:25:42 -0400
From: Robert Bruninga <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Include in events: "EV to power your home"
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I believe we have discussed this and that you do have some kinda
justification for "going off grid", but for others, it makes no economic
sense to me.If I generate all my power, I am still perfectly happy to
pay $8 a month for keeping the grid accouint. Kinda like
insurance..
The last thing I want to do in life is maintain batteries for the
rest of my life. Out of the blue I took a life changing hit in my
health and cannot possibly maintain all the special "features"
I have built into the house for "fun" but now, impossible to
maintain by my wife. I am an ardent DIY guy, but now am
a CDIMA (Cant do it myself Anymore). - Bob
On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 12:58 PM Peter VanDerWal via EV
<[email protected]> wrote:
I said that. Lost power for three days back in the 90's when a tornado blew
through. Not worth
investing a lot of money for 3 days every 25 years.
I agree it's not worth buying an EV JUST to use it as a backup power source.
However, most people buy EVs to drive. When deciding which EV to buy, one that
has the capability of powering your house in an emergency situation might just
be a deciding factor for many people.
FWIW I moved my critical loads (Fridge/Freezer, HVAC, etc.) to a new subpanel
with a transfer switch so that I could power my critical loads from my EVs
during a power outage.
Once we go off-grid this setup will allow me to get by with a smaller house
battery. Even if we get an extended period of low sunshine, either of my EVs
could power my critical loads for a week or two, which is more than long enough
wait out the stormy weather.
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