Still, if the the original Tesla guys did nothing, had no product, were worthless etc.....then why did Musk bother with them in the first place? Seems if I was such a "brilliant visionary" with a billion dollars why did he he need them?
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 09:40:56 AM PST, paul dove <dov...@bellsouth.net> wrote: I would not characterize it in that way. They were a year old when he invested ((2004). They didn't even have a product yet. They just had an idea; the prototype was unveiled 2 years after Mush became chairman of the board of directors (2006). Eberhard resigned as CEO a year after that (2007). Ze'ev Drori took over as CEO. Drori is credited with turning the prototype into a viable product. The launch of the Roadster was 2008. Eberhard and Tarpenning left the company before the Roadster before they shipped the first Roadster (February 2008) to Musk. Musk took over CEO in October of 2008. On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 10:45:11 AM CST, Lawrence Winiarski via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: Why did Musk buy Tesla rather than create a car company on his own from scratch? On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 08:26:25 AM PST, Michael Ross via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: "Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies." As a manufacturing, and electromrchanical product design engineer for 3 decades I am calling troll bullshit jealousy on part A of this quote. EM is a fine engineer in many disciplines. Mechanical, software, aerospace, rocket engine development, I am very impressed at his manufacturing engineering, and his management (which includes hiring the best). Plenty of mistakes made, but his embrace of breaking prototypes to learn fast has been remarkable. I have been following Tesla and SpaceX since before Model S and during the early rocket testing in Macgregor TX. I have been listening to EM all the while. He is clearly visionary. Any one who can't credit EM with real engineering chops, clearly is not a working engineer. As to parts B & C, that is obvious, and so what? Do you think any other similar edeavors are different? As far as behavior goes, lots of mistakes there. EM is on the spectrum and still does pretty well. I have to take the good and the bad to have a balanced outlook. He would likely not hire me, if for no reason than I like laying in the sun an planting stuff to make my yard prettier, more than I like the corporate engineering environment. I can still repect real accomplishment. On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:35 PM EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > On 18 Dec 2022 at 13:34 > > Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20221219/9512a500/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20221219/1614b1cd/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20221219/82b2d7e3/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/