Still, if the the original Tesla guys did nothing, had no product, were 
worthless etc.....then why did Musk bother with them in the first place?
Seems if I was such a "brilliant visionary"  with a billion dollars why did he 
he need them?


    On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 09:40:56 AM PST, paul dove 
<dov...@bellsouth.net> wrote:  
 
  I would not characterize it in that way. 
They were a year old when he invested ((2004). They didn't even have a product 
yet. They just had an idea; the prototype was unveiled 2 years after Mush 
became chairman of the board of directors (2006). Eberhard resigned as CEO a 
year after that (2007). Ze'ev Drori took over as CEO. Drori is credited with 
turning the prototype into a viable product. The launch of the Roadster was 
2008. Eberhard and Tarpenning left the company before the Roadster before they 
shipped the first Roadster (February 2008) to Musk. Musk took over CEO in 
October of 2008.



    On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 10:45:11 AM CST, Lawrence Winiarski via EV 
<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:  
 
 Why did Musk buy Tesla rather than create a car company on his own from 
scratch?

    On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 08:26:25 AM PST, Michael Ross via EV 
<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:  
 
 "Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies."

As a manufacturing, and electromrchanical product design engineer for 3
decades I am calling troll bullshit jealousy on part A of this quote.

EM is a fine engineer in many disciplines. Mechanical, software, aerospace,
rocket engine development, I am very impressed at his manufacturing
engineering, and his management (which includes hiring the best). Plenty of
mistakes made, but his embrace of breaking prototypes to learn fast has
been remarkable.

I have been following Tesla and SpaceX since before Model S and during the
early rocket testing in Macgregor TX. I have been listening to EM all the
while. He is clearly visionary.

Any one who can't credit EM with real engineering chops, clearly is not a
working engineer.

As to parts B & C, that is obvious, and so what? Do you think any other
similar edeavors are different?

As far as behavior goes, lots of mistakes there. EM is on the spectrum and
still does pretty well. I have to take the good and the bad to have a
balanced outlook. He would likely not hire me, if for no reason than I like
laying in the sun an planting stuff to make my yard prettier, more than I
like the corporate engineering environment. I can still repect real
accomplishment.


On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:35 PM EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> On 18 Dec 2022 at 13:34
>
> Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies.
>
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