My turn :)
Here's the thing. Somebody had to take some floundering ventures and
push them on a grand scale. Elon's the right kind of guy for that - big
ego, big money, and a high risk taker. Whether he's the smartest
engineer is irrelevant. Sure, he needs to be able to understand what
others are explaining and make decisions, but he can rely on those
others (or chose to ignore them, which he frequently appears to do) as
needed.
The result is he makes big, brash, fast decisions.
In a way, he acts like a dictator. He abhors government process and is
infuriated by indecisiveness of others. He wants to act. Now. For a
small startup, I find this tolerable, though it would be better if he
could keep his mouth shut in public :) To some degree, skirting
government regulations, making employees work under duress, and so on,
is ok with me while trying to get a first product to market. Of course,
that changes when later on. But, my point is, that kind of person
probably has a much higher chance of success than someone who plans
everything carefully and proceeds cautiously. They'll never get their
first product out.
If Elon hadn't started the EV mass production revolution, some one else
surely would have. But it might have been several years later and might
have been to weak the first time around to not be squashed by the ICE
industry.
So, you can hate Elon for his brashness, his poorly thought out
statements, and his lack of consideration of others. I do. And you can
love him for getting something done.
Peri
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From: "paul dove via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>; "Lawrence
Winiarski" <lawrence_winiar...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "paul dove" <dov...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: 19-Dec-22 11:05:46
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS
How do you know they didn't need him?
I was under the impression that they approached him about investing.
Elon said Eberhard was wealthy but unwilling to risk his own money.
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 12:23:36 PM CST, Lawrence Winiarski
<lawrence_winiar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Still, if the the original Tesla guys did nothing, had no product, were
worthless etc.....then why did Musk bother with them in the first place?
Seems if I was such a "brilliant visionary" with a billion dollars why did he
he need them?
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 09:40:56 AM PST, paul dove
<dov...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I would not characterize it in that way.
They were a year old when he invested ((2004). They didn't even have a product
yet. They just had an idea; the prototype was unveiled 2 years after Mush
became chairman of the board of directors (2006). Eberhard resigned as CEO a
year after that (2007). Ze'ev Drori took over as CEO. Drori is credited with
turning the prototype into a viable product. The launch of the Roadster was
2008. Eberhard and Tarpenning left the company before the Roadster before they
shipped the first Roadster (February 2008) to Musk. Musk took over CEO in
October of 2008.
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 10:45:11 AM CST, Lawrence Winiarski via EV
<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
Why did Musk buy Tesla rather than create a car company on his own from
scratch?
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 08:26:25 AM PST, Michael Ross via EV
<ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
"Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies."
As a manufacturing, and electromrchanical product design engineer for 3
decades I am calling troll bullshit jealousy on part A of this quote.
EM is a fine engineer in many disciplines. Mechanical, software, aerospace,
rocket engine development, I am very impressed at his manufacturing
engineering, and his management (which includes hiring the best). Plenty of
mistakes made, but his embrace of breaking prototypes to learn fast has
been remarkable.
I have been following Tesla and SpaceX since before Model S and during the
early rocket testing in Macgregor TX. I have been listening to EM all the
while. He is clearly visionary.
Any one who can't credit EM with real engineering chops, clearly is not a
working engineer.
As to parts B & C, that is obvious, and so what? Do you think any other
similar edeavors are different?
As far as behavior goes, lots of mistakes there. EM is on the spectrum and
still does pretty well. I have to take the good and the bad to have a
balanced outlook. He would likely not hire me, if for no reason than I like
laying in the sun an planting stuff to make my yard prettier, more than I
like the corporate engineering environment. I can still repect real
accomplishment.
On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:35 PM EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:
On 18 Dec 2022 at 13:34
Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies.
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