This entire thread is at once spot.on, and amusing.
I’m 57, so I remember GM crapping on the EV movement with their proprietary
Magnecharge system; lease-only EV-1, and lobbying against clean air mandates.
It disgusted me and I vowed never to buy GM.
Fast forward 30 years. I have a 20 GM Bolt that needs a game plan on a
“minor” battery issue. I have a ‘13 LEAF that I needed to go to a 3rd party to
upgrade what was a feeble battery and no thermal mgt of same.
3 family members have Teslas and love them, but can’t stand the politics of
the CEO.
Sincerely,
Bob Bath
541.761.0838
Note: any misspellings of the contents of this message are due to 57 y.o.
vision, hyperactive spell check changing what I typed, or fat fingering— not
cluelessness.
> On Dec 19, 2022, at 2:17 PM, EV List Lackey via EV <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> On 19 Dec 2022 at 20:44, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>
>> If Elon hadn't started the EV mass production revolution, some one else
>> surely would have. But it might have been several years later and might
>> have been to weak the first time around to not be squashed by the ICE
>> industry.
>
> "Someone else" was already advancing the production EV movement by the time
> the model S arrived. The Mitsubishi Imiev and Nissan Leaf were ahead of it,
> and IIRC the Renault Zoe (not offered in the US) launched at around the same
> time.
>
> Tesla certainly had some innovations that those EVs didn't have. Some were
> substantial, but many were just luxury gadgets.
>
> Tesla's primary "innovation" was making an EV that appealed to rich folks,
> especially celebrity greens awash in excess cash. Those gadgets and
> gimmicks were part of the appeal.
>
> That was easy for Musk to push, because he was already then such an
> obscenely rich person.
>
> To this day, Teslas are based not on what research shows the average driver
> needs, but on what appeals to Elon Musk. If you don't like what he likes,
> tough luck.
>
> That's why I think that despite strong (but declining) Tesla sales, Renault,
> Stellantis, and VW will eventually clean Tesla's clock in Europe. They
> actually build EVs for normal people - and normal, middle-income Europoeans
> are buying them. And despite what all y'all may think, I'm still convinced
> that the future success of EVs is mostly in the EU and China, not here in
> the US.
>
> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey
>
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