($35k Tesla is here) (Tesla≠TaTa) It's curious to classify MSRP as "Sky High" when for over a decade they have sold every single car they have ever produced... It appears that the market has no problem paying whatever the price happens to be... It couldn't possibly be that they lowered prices so that both the 5 and 7 seat model Y would qualify for the IRA rebates, as opposed to previously where only the 7 seat was an SUV ($80k max MSRP) and the 5 seat version was a sedan ($55k max MSRP)? Very strange indeed.
The US Model3 is $9k away and the China Model3 is $2k under that $35k price target... Also... Tesla is not beholden to satisfy some expectation we each may hold in our minds regarding affordability of a luxury commodity that is a new vehicle. I've yet to see any contract that anyone has signed that says that Tesla is going to deliver them a car for $35k, just as I don't expect any of the legacy prototype cars to actually show up in a dealers show room. I don't quite understand how people can justify their selective criticism of Tesla. Regarding Prices, these are always relative (As Of Jan 2023): Is this close enough to the $35k car for anyone? https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/1613747950080909312 * Tesla Model 3 RWD After US Tax Credit: $36,490 https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1613743473928343554 • Model S: $94,990 (from $104,990, 9.5% drop) • Model S Plaid: $114,990 (from $135,990, 15.4% drop) • Model X: $109,990 (from $120,990, 9.1% drop) • Model X Plaid: $119,990 (from $138,990, 13.7% drop) https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1613740973342838784 • Model 3 RWD: $43,990 (from $46,990, 6.4% drop) • Model 3 P: $53,990 (from $62,990, 14.2% drop) • Model Y LR: $52,990 (from $65,990, 20.0% drop) Long Range • Model Y P: $56,990 (from $69,990, 23.0% drop) https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1611184353106616327 • Model 3 RWD: $33,023 (11.7% drop) • Model 3 P: $48,014 ( 5.7% drop) • Model Y SR: $37,826 (10.0% drop) • Model Y LR: $45,103 (13.4% drop) • Model Y P: $52,381 ( 9.5% drop) I have had a Leaf and a Bolt, and they are not the same as a Tesla, you might as well compare it to the TATA Mini or Nano: I doubt that a family of four would survive a 300 foot plunge off a cliff ( https://twitter.com/driveteslaca/status/1610080891442958336) in a Tata Mini. You can not seriously be comparing the objectively safest vehicles ever tested with a (relatively speaking) "death trap" of a "glorified golf cart" while making a cost comparison? * https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury-any-vehicle-ever-tested-nhtsa * https://www.vandi4u.com/safety/crash-test-report/tata-nano-crash-test-ratings/ You might as well be arguing that a huffy bicycle or a citi car or a sparrow or a GEM is cheaper and thus Tesla cars are not affordable. At least compare it to something in the same ball park like the Kia Niro, Chevy Bolt, BMW i4, Polestar 2, Hyundai IONIQ 5, VW ID4, etc... "In the past year, Tesla’s stock price has fallen by more than 64% as high inflation has curbed demand for its electric cars." -- Isn't it strange how their production has grown an average 50% over a multi year horizon? Just as was guided for, and they have sold them all, so not sure how "curbed demand" can also be true, when they have never been able to build enough to satisfy demand. "The company is one of many blue-chip tech stocks that have been battered by the unhospitable economic climate." -- Try bringing up the tickers for amazon, alphabet, facebook, or the SP500 for the past year, you may find the trend lines all match. Now here is a neat trick, zoom out past the one year perspective. TSLA stock is not Tesla the company. Just as Elon is also not Tesla nor the teams that build and continuously innovate on these vehicles. I'm all for a good faith debate about the pros and cons of various OEM Offerings, Charging network reliability, and government incentives... But that is not what the OP NY Post has presented... On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 2:52 PM John Lussmyer via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, I don't consider a Toyota Corolla to be competing with a Cadillac > Seville. > Those lower cost EV's aren't really competition. They are just the > lower end of the vehicle spectrum. > And those other EV's aren't being produced in enough volume to be much > competition either. > > On 1/17/2023 2:07 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > > Looks like Elon dropped the sky high prices but not to a down to earth > $30k for the masses (like his competition, Bolt, Kia, Hyundai > > Have a renewable energy New Year, > > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to [email protected] > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20230118/2903d37e/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
