They are just like other car companies. If you look for overstock end of month sales you can find a deal. I bought my long range Model S 2019 brand new because it had been on the lot for a while for $78,000. Had like 50 miles on it. Autopilot 100kwh battery. Sunroof. I saw a plaid that’s been on the lot for a while in Nashville someone could probably get a deal on if they didn’t make it a service vehicle. They are slowly getting rid of all the ford vans this way.
Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 3:32 AM, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: Funny to see the new prices - especially the Model S just under 95k as my 2013 S85 MSRP was originally... just under 95k (!) Regarding legacy prototype cars availability - while my 2013 is certainly not a prototype, it still shows a few of the original early issues, such as the touch screen leaking its goop and I have already had the eMMC replaced when it was written into oblivion last year. So, in a sense it feels like a prototype In case anyone is interested in a relatively cheap used Model S with the rare dual charger (80 Amps capable, so up to 20kW AC charging) I plan to sell it in the coming weeks, located near San Francisco. 85kWh pack charges to 230 mi range. More details off-list please unless there are general questions about my experience with this vehicle, I have owned it for a year now - bought specifically for testing during the development of an 80 Amp capable EV charging station. Cor. On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:00 AM Ryan Fulcher via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > ($35k Tesla is here) > (Tesla≠TaTa) > > It's curious to classify MSRP as "Sky High" when for over a decade they > have sold every single car they have ever produced... It appears that the > market has no problem paying whatever the price happens to be... It > couldn't possibly be that they lowered prices so that both the 5 and 7 seat > model Y would qualify for the IRA rebates, as opposed to previously where > only the 7 seat was an SUV ($80k max MSRP) and the 5 seat version was a > sedan ($55k max MSRP)? Very strange indeed. > > The US Model3 is $9k away and the China Model3 is $2k under that $35k price > target... > Also... Tesla is not beholden to satisfy some expectation we each may hold > in our > minds regarding affordability of a luxury commodity that is a new vehicle. > > I've yet to see any contract that anyone has signed that says that Tesla > is going to deliver them a car for $35k, just as I don't expect any of the > legacy prototype cars to actually show up in a dealers show room. > I don't quite understand how people can justify their selective criticism > of Tesla. > > Regarding Prices, these are always relative (As Of Jan 2023): > > Is this close enough to the $35k car for anyone? > https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/1613747950080909312 > * Tesla Model 3 RWD After US Tax Credit: $36,490 > > https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1613743473928343554 > • Model S: $94,990 (from $104,990, 9.5% drop) > • Model S Plaid: $114,990 (from $135,990, 15.4% drop) > • Model X: $109,990 (from $120,990, 9.1% drop) > • Model X Plaid: $119,990 (from $138,990, 13.7% drop) > > https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1613740973342838784 > • Model 3 RWD: $43,990 (from $46,990, 6.4% drop) > • Model 3 P: $53,990 (from $62,990, 14.2% drop) > • Model Y LR: $52,990 (from $65,990, 20.0% drop) Long Range > • Model Y P: $56,990 (from $69,990, 23.0% drop) > > https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1611184353106616327 > • Model 3 RWD: $33,023 (11.7% drop) > • Model 3 P: $48,014 ( 5.7% drop) > • Model Y SR: $37,826 (10.0% drop) > • Model Y LR: $45,103 (13.4% drop) > • Model Y P: $52,381 ( 9.5% drop) > > I have had a Leaf and a Bolt, and they are not the same as a Tesla, you > might as well compare it to the TATA Mini or Nano: I doubt that a family of > four would survive a 300 foot plunge off a cliff ( > https://twitter.com/driveteslaca/status/1610080891442958336) in a Tata > Mini. You can not seriously be comparing the objectively safest vehicles > ever tested with a (relatively speaking) "death trap" of a "glorified golf > cart" while making a cost comparison? > * > https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury-any-vehicle-ever-tested-nhtsa > * > https://www.vandi4u.com/safety/crash-test-report/tata-nano-crash-test-ratings/ > You might as well be arguing that a huffy bicycle or a citi car or a > sparrow or a GEM is cheaper and thus Tesla cars are not affordable. At > least compare it to something in the same ball park like the Kia Niro, > Chevy Bolt, BMW i4, Polestar 2, Hyundai IONIQ 5, VW ID4, etc... > > "In the past year, Tesla’s stock price has fallen by more than 64% as high > inflation has curbed demand for its electric cars." -- Isn't it strange how > their production has grown an average 50% over a multi year horizon? Just > as was guided for, and they have sold them all, so not sure how "curbed > demand" can also be true, when they have never been able to build enough to > satisfy demand. > > "The company is one of many blue-chip tech stocks that have been battered > by the unhospitable economic climate." -- Try bringing up the tickers for > amazon, alphabet, facebook, or the SP500 for the past year, you may find > the trend lines all match. Now here is a neat trick, zoom out past the one > year perspective. TSLA stock is not Tesla the company. Just as Elon is > also not Tesla nor the teams that build and continuously innovate on these > vehicles. > > I'm all for a good faith debate about the pros and cons of various OEM > Offerings, Charging network reliability, and government incentives... But > that is not what the OP NY Post has presented... > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 2:52 PM John Lussmyer via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > > > Well, I don't consider a Toyota Corolla to be competing with a Cadillac > > Seville. > > Those lower cost EV's aren't really competition. They are just the > > lower end of the vehicle spectrum. > > And those other EV's aren't being produced in enough volume to be much > > competition either. > > > > On 1/17/2023 2:07 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > > > Looks like Elon dropped the sky high prices but not to a down to earth > > $30k for the masses (like his competition, Bolt, Kia, Hyundai > > > Have a renewable energy New Year, > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20230118/2903d37e/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > _______________________________________________ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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