Ryan Fulcher said “I've yet to see any contract that anyone has signed that
says that Tesla
is going to deliver them a car for $35k.” Well you have not seen my
contract, but that does not mean that I did not buy a 2019 Tesla M3 for
$35,000 It is a standard range with none of the expensive add-Ins. The car
was delivered to us in the Walmart parking lot in Breaux Bridge. (That is
not a promotion for Walmart, just an odd observation)
Standard range is not all that bad at 220 miles range. Of course we
usually charge the batteries to 85%, and rarely drive them to below 25%.
Only on long trips and even though we don’t charge to 100%.
We have traveled from Lafayette, Louisiana to New Orleans several
times (once to see Paul McCartney), Houston twice and San Marcus, Texas
using super chargers both ways. I’ve used navigation to plan trips to see
family and friends in Seattle, Washington, Traverse City, Michigan and
Athens, Georgia. Yes, we stop more often than we did in our ICE cars, but
that is one reason that both my wife and I have kindle apps on our cell
iPhones. I particularly like Jack Reacher and John Milton novels, in
addition to Sci-Fi novels by many authors.
Bobby Keeland, retired Forest Ecology scientist,
Arnaudville, Louisiana (about 15 miles east of Lafayette and 45 miles west
of Baton Rouge - both of which have super chargers).
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 9:31 AM paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
> They are just like other car companies. If you look for overstock end of
> month sales you can find a deal. I bought my long range Model S 2019 brand
> new because it had been on the lot for a while for $78,000. Had like 50
> miles on it. Autopilot 100kwh battery. Sunroof.
> I saw a plaid that’s been on the lot for a while in Nashville someone
> could probably get a deal on if they didn’t make it a service vehicle. They
> are slowly getting rid of all the ford vans this way.
>
>
> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 3:32 AM, Cor van de Water via EV <
> ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
> Funny to see the new prices - especially the Model S just under 95k as
> my 2013 S85 MSRP was originally... just under 95k (!)
> Regarding legacy prototype cars availability - while my 2013 is
> certainly not a prototype, it still shows a few of the original early
> issues, such as the touch screen leaking its goop and I have already
> had the eMMC replaced when it was written into oblivion last year. So,
> in a sense it feels like a prototype
> In case anyone is interested in a relatively cheap used Model S with
> the rare dual charger (80 Amps capable, so up to 20kW AC charging) I
> plan to sell it in the coming weeks, located near San Francisco.
> 85kWh pack charges to 230 mi range. More details off-list please
> unless there are general questions about my experience with this
> vehicle, I have owned it for a year now - bought specifically for
> testing during the development of an 80 Amp capable EV charging
> station.
> Cor.
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 1:00 AM Ryan Fulcher via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > ($35k Tesla is here)
> > (Tesla≠TaTa)
> >
> > It's curious to classify MSRP as "Sky High" when for over a decade they
> > have sold every single car they have ever produced... It appears that
> the
> > market has no problem paying whatever the price happens to be... It
> > couldn't possibly be that they lowered prices so that both the 5 and 7
> seat
> > model Y would qualify for the IRA rebates, as opposed to previously where
> > only the 7 seat was an SUV ($80k max MSRP) and the 5 seat version was a
> > sedan ($55k max MSRP)? Very strange indeed.
> >
> > The US Model3 is $9k away and the China Model3 is $2k under that $35k
> price
> > target...
> > Also... Tesla is not beholden to satisfy some expectation we each may
> hold
> > in our
> > minds regarding affordability of a luxury commodity that is a new
> vehicle.
> >
> > I've yet to see any contract that anyone has signed that says that Tesla
> > is going to deliver them a car for $35k, just as I don't expect any of
> the
> > legacy prototype cars to actually show up in a dealers show room.
> > I don't quite understand how people can justify their selective criticism
> > of Tesla.
> >
> > Regarding Prices, these are always relative (As Of Jan 2023):
> >
> > Is this close enough to the $35k car for anyone?
> > https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/1613747950080909312
> > * Tesla Model 3 RWD After US Tax Credit: $36,490
> >
> > https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1613743473928343554
> > • Model S: $94,990 (from $104,990, 9.5% drop)
> > • Model S Plaid: $114,990 (from $135,990, 15.4% drop)
> > • Model X: $109,990 (from $120,990, 9.1% drop)
> > • Model X Plaid: $119,990 (from $138,990, 13.7% drop)
> >
> > https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1613740973342838784
> > • Model 3 RWD: $43,990 (from $46,990, 6.4% drop)
> > • Model 3 P: $53,990 (from $62,990, 14.2% drop)
> > • Model Y LR: $52,990 (from $65,990, 20.0% drop) Long Range
> > • Model Y P: $56,990 (from $69,990, 23.0% drop)
> >
> > https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1611184353106616327
> > • Model 3 RWD: $33,023 (11.7% drop)
> > • Model 3 P: $48,014 ( 5.7% drop)
> > • Model Y SR: $37,826 (10.0% drop)
> > • Model Y LR: $45,103 (13.4% drop)
> > • Model Y P: $52,381 ( 9.5% drop)
> >
> > I have had a Leaf and a Bolt, and they are not the same as a Tesla, you
> > might as well compare it to the TATA Mini or Nano: I doubt that a family
> of
> > four would survive a 300 foot plunge off a cliff (
> > https://twitter.com/driveteslaca/status/1610080891442958336) in a Tata
> > Mini. You can not seriously be comparing the objectively safest vehicles
> > ever tested with a (relatively speaking) "death trap" of a "glorified
> golf
> > cart" while making a cost comparison?
> > *
> >
> https://www.tesla.com/blog/model-3-lowest-probability-injury-any-vehicle-ever-tested-nhtsa
> > *
> >
> https://www.vandi4u.com/safety/crash-test-report/tata-nano-crash-test-ratings/
> > You might as well be arguing that a huffy bicycle or a citi car or a
> > sparrow or a GEM is cheaper and thus Tesla cars are not affordable. At
> > least compare it to something in the same ball park like the Kia Niro,
> > Chevy Bolt, BMW i4, Polestar 2, Hyundai IONIQ 5, VW ID4, etc...
> >
> > "In the past year, Tesla’s stock price has fallen by more than 64% as
> high
> > inflation has curbed demand for its electric cars." -- Isn't it strange
> how
> > their production has grown an average 50% over a multi year horizon?
> Just
> > as was guided for, and they have sold them all, so not sure how "curbed
> > demand" can also be true, when they have never been able to build enough
> to
> > satisfy demand.
> >
> > "The company is one of many blue-chip tech stocks that have been battered
> > by the unhospitable economic climate." -- Try bringing up the tickers for
> > amazon, alphabet, facebook, or the SP500 for the past year, you may find
> > the trend lines all match. Now here is a neat trick, zoom out past the
> one
> > year perspective. TSLA stock is not Tesla the company. Just as Elon is
> > also not Tesla nor the teams that build and continuously innovate on
> these
> > vehicles.
> >
> > I'm all for a good faith debate about the pros and cons of various OEM
> > Offerings, Charging network reliability, and government incentives...
> But
> > that is not what the OP NY Post has presented...
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 2:52 PM John Lussmyer via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Well, I don't consider a Toyota Corolla to be competing with a Cadillac
> > > Seville.
> > > Those lower cost EV's aren't really competition. They are just the
> > > lower end of the vehicle spectrum.
> > > And those other EV's aren't being produced in enough volume to be much
> > > competition either.
> > >
> > > On 1/17/2023 2:07 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote:
> > > > Looks like Elon dropped the sky high prices but not to a down to
> earth
> > > $30k for the masses (like his competition, Bolt, Kia, Hyundai
> > > > Have a renewable energy New Year,
> > > >
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