I read one article it was about an Uber driver who left for work with 30 miles on his battery it quickly read zero and he said he had to be towed and then it took 5 hours to get a charge. Now, is that a Tesla problem or a technology problem. IMO, no! If I drove an Uber I would make sure it was full at the end of my shift. Second, you can tell the car you are going to supercharge it and it will precondition the battery. These are people who clearly don’t plan for life.
Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 9:36 AM, Kevin Horton via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: The crux of the problem is that there were too many people buying EVs who didn't have any way to charge at home or work. Combine that with inadequate battery heating in RWD Model 3 and Y, so that if the battery cools down during a long queue, it can take a very long time after plugging in to the Supercharger before the battery is warm enough to start charging. Testing on a M3 in NV showed a one hour wait time between plugging into the Supercharger and the battery started charging, if the battery was extremely cold. The Out of Spec podcast on Youtube had good coverage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB3Z5zd0gnQ The Real Story Behind Electric Cars Freezing In Chicago - Clogged Chargers, Cold Batteries, Stranded youtube.com Tesla should learn from this, and increase battery heating capacity to better address charging a very cold battery in very cold ambient temperatures. And folks who cannot charge at home or work should perhaps not be buying EVs yet, until the public charging infrastructure rollout catches up. Kevin > On Jan 16, 2024, at 23:58, EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > Teslas are lined up in extreme cold, waiting for Chicago Supercharger > stations, where charging is very slow. Apparently some drivers have run out > of charge trying to stay warm while waiting for a turn and had to call for a > tow. > > Not a big surprise at ~-20C I suppose, but I don't recall reading of such > problems in the Nordic countries. Maybe those owners are more likely to be > educated about their vehicles, and to follow Tesla's cold weather > recommendations. > > Not much is said about other EV brands, but there's no reason I can think of > that Teslas should have any more cold weather charging problems than Bolts, > Leaves, Kias, et cetera. > > ----- > > Dead Tesla cars pile up at Chicago Superchargers in extreme cold > > A bunch of Tesla vehicles were unable to charge at Supercharger stations > across Chicago amid an extreme cold wave. ... > > Chicago is seeing an extreme cold wave at the moment. Yesterday, the windy > city had a temperature of 2F (-19C) that felt like- 20F (-29C) after the > wind factor. > > These extreme temperatures have been blamed for issues at Tesla Supercharger > stations across the city. ... > > Most Superchargers are marked as all-in-use with wait times ... > > https://electrek.co/2024/01/16/dead-tesla-cars-pile-up-chicago-superchargers- > extreme-cold/ > > or https://cntp.me/ZF6ntkE > > ----- > > "I've been here for over five hours at this point and I still have not > gotten to charge my car," Tesla driver Brandon Welbourne told CBS News > Chicago, as car horns blared nearby. "A charge that should take 45 minutes > is taking two hours." ... > > Tesla has tips for drivers in the cold ... > > maintaining a charge of at least 20% ... > > warm[ing] the battery. ... > > using Trip Planner to navigate to a charging location for at least 30-45 > minutes before arrival to ensure optimal Battery temperature and charging > conditions ... > > "Always connect to an external, low voltage power supply before opening a > door when the vehicle has no power," Tesla says, "to avoid breaking a > window." [Yikes. I take it that Teslas have no hard-key backup.] > > https://www.npr.org/2024/01/16/1224913698/teslas-chicago-charging-extreme- > cold > > or https://cntp.me/xlCSYgo > > ----- > > Most news sources are reporting it straight and without bias. A few are > pushing the negatives. Thanks guys. Example: > > 'Don't Buy a Tesla': Chicago's EV Drivers Struggle With Sub-Zero > Temperatures > > With temperatures consistently below zero in Chicago, electric vehicle > drivers there have struggled to keep their EVs charged over the past few > days. ... > > "I've never seen it like this before," says one driver on TikTok as she > scrolls through her Tesla app, which shows 20- to 30-minute wait times at > most Superchargers near her. "Don't get a Tesla," she says, unless you live > in a warm climate. ... > > When PCMag took a Tesla Model 3 on a day trip around Chicago in January > 2023, it achieved less than 100 miles of the advertised range and could not > go more than an hour and a half without charging. ... > > https://www.pcmag.com/news/dont-buy-a-tesla-chicagos-ev-drivers-struggle- > with-sub-zero-temperatures > > or https://cntp.me/lJQ6r4T > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. 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