Johnn Mikes wrote: >Consciousness is a historical noumenon of no content, an imaginary 'thing' >that does not exist.
Consciousness is what makes pain painfull. It makes also conscience possible, and it makes the human right sensefull. If you have had one moment of joy or pain, I take it that you belief in consciousness, and that you are playing with words when you say it does not exists. (Although I agree it exists only in some second order sense, and I agree it is terribly difficult, if not impossible, to define). Like Descartes I believe that consciousness is a sort of fixed point of doubt (like consistency for sound machines is a fixed point of the non-provability predicate). But perhaps, John, you are not conscious, in which case I am loosing my time telling you that. Honestly I guess you are conscious, and I guess you want just provocate us. Consciousness is as real as suffering. You don't believe in suffering ? Bruno
