On Sunday, January 4, 2026 at 5:20:42 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote:
On Friday, January 2, 2026 at 8:27:27 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: On Thursday, January 1, 2026 at 8:17:14 PM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, December 29, 2025 at 1:55:37 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: On Sunday, December 28, 2025 at 1:32:44 AM UTC-7 Alan Grayson wrote: Aren't these results an affirmation of the instantaneous collapse of the wf? AG How would Bell results be interpreted using the MWI? The results seem easy to interpret under Copenhagen. AG I still don't get it. If there's no collapse under the MWI, when UP is measured in THIS WORLD, how does the OTHER WORLD know to measure DN, ignoring the obvious fact that DN is ALSO measured in THIS WORLD? AG UP and DN are both measured in THIS WORLD. What I don't get is how adding the observer to the original superposition essentially forces the correct pair of ALICE-BOB measurements without any action at a distance when the pair are causally disconnected. AG Assuming Bell experiments imply the non-existence of local hidden variables, which I believe is the general consensus, we can imagine Alice and Bob having synchronized clocks, and we can measure when each measures some spin, UP or DN. If we agree that spin angular momentum is conserved, then no matter how close their measurements are to simultaneity, spin angular momentum is conserved, and in the limiting case where their measurements are simultaneous, if Alice measures UP (or DN), then Bob must measure DN (or UP). Consequently, I don't see how we can avoid the conclusion of some instantaneous "influence" occurring. Not faster than lightspeed, but instantaneous. Nor do I see any way the MWI circumvents this conclusion. AG My subjective judgment is tha the MWI is too ugly to be true. But why can't we do what we normally do with competing theories; do measurements to distinguish them? Now, with super accurate atomic clocks, ISTM that we could synchorize the two clocks, of Alice and Bob, and separate their locations substantially, and determine if entangled particles created equidistant, are detected instantly by both parties. I would bet on Copenhagen. Any comments about the design of this experiment? AG -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/6a384ef4-82ae-422d-b9d3-4134d29afb5bn%40googlegroups.com.
