On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 5:21 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:
*> can you succinctly explain why it implies local hidden variables don't > exist? AG * *As I keep telling you, local hidden variables CAN exist, BUT NOT IF THINGS ARE REALISTIC AND DETERMINISTIC, you can't have all three. That's why the experimental finding that Bell's Inequality is violated has not ruled out objective collapse (my second favorite quantum interpretation), it's local and realistic but not deterministic, so Bell has not ruled it out. Many Worlds (my favorite) is local and deterministic but not realistic, so Bell has not ruled that out. Pilot Wave is realistic and deterministic but not local, so Bell has not ruled that out. As for Copenhagen, there is no consensus of what the hell it's saying so there is no consensus on whether Bell has ruled that out or not. And "shut up and calculate" has not been ruled out because it refuses to play the game. What has definitely been ruled out is our common sense ideas about how the world should work. * *John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* w36 > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2W50rqtn7S3Nu7Z0ayObhNXFEuRgHMM8ARj2gVQMXz7Q%40mail.gmail.com.
