Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > Peter Jones writes: > > > > > > Saying that there is a material substrate which has certain > > > > > properties is just a working > > > > > assumption to facilitate thinking about the real world. It may turn > > > > > out that if we dig into > > > > > quarks very deeply there is nothing "substantial" there at all, but > > > > > solid matter will still be > > > > > solid matter, because it is defined by its properties, not by some > > > > > mysterious raw physical > > > > > substrate. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not using the Bare Substrate to explian "solidity", which is as > > > > you say > > > > a matter of properties/behaviour. > > > > > > > > I am using it to explain contingent existence, and (A series) time. > > > > > > We could say that matter is that which feels solid, reflects light, > > > distorts spacetime etc. > > > and leave it at that. > > > > However, that is mere behaviour. I need a defiition > > which digs deeper than behaviour,and I have one. > > All I see is mere behaviour.
All you see is phenomena in your own mimd, says the solipsist.. >When I say that something is as real as this desk in front of me, I am > saying that it is as real as the mere mere behaviour in front of me How do you know it is really in front of you ? > - as opposed to the desk in my > dreams, which lacks such behaviour. Do you think we really disagree about > desks? If it looks like a > desk, feels like a desk etc., then it's a desk. It doesn't add anything to > say that it also contains > "essence of real desk" to distinguish it from dream desks, because dream > desks differ from real > desks in other ways. Well, what is the difference ? How do you escape solipsism without embracing materialism ? > Stathis Papaioannou > _________________________________________________________________ > Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. > http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
