David Nyman wrote:
> > I agree that qualia are ontological, rather than epistemological. I > 'experience blue' in virtue of 'being blue' - i.e. myself-as-perceiver, > in specific self-relation with myself-as-percept = being blue (or > rather, blue in parts). This qualitative ontological base is the given > that differentiates into every epistemological category by internal > self-contrast - this is blue, that is red, sour, disgusting, verbal, > mathematical, sexy, whatever. Hence this ontological base cannot itself > be - for example - the physics, because the physics, like all > relationally expressed and acquired information, is part of > epistemology. > > If one's ontology is grounded in Arithmetical Realism (e.g. the UD > arithemetically instantiating the infinities of programs generated by > infinities of infinite bitstrings) it then follows that qualia must > indeed be 'internal models of mathematics'. The Arithmetical plenitude > of 'zero-information' self-isolates into islands of non-zero 1st-person > information through anthropic and counter-factual self-selection. The > Library of Babel generates readers to peruse itself. We must therefore > accept that the sense in which we wish this ontological base to be > considered real must be granted to be the same sense, mutatis mutandis > - i.e. the self-isolation of self-aware 1st-persons from the plenitude > - in which we ourselves wish to be considered real. > > David > Whoa dude. That is some heavy-duty 'reality theory' speak ;) One point. I wouldn't say that 'the Arithmetical plentitude' has 'zero information'. There is Shannon information there - I'd say it's a sea of Shannon information. Of course strings of random gibbrish are Shannon information. We should perhaps distinguish between several different kinds of information. I agree that the 'plentitude' , to quote you, does 'self-isolate into islands of non-zero 1st person information'. This kind of information could be 'logical depth' type complexity (or roughly 'knowledge'). So I think integrated patches of Knowledge-Information (logical-depth complexity) are the 'islands' in the 'sea' of raw Information (Shannon or statistical type complexity). And I think there's a third kind of information associated with Qualia which isn't understood yet. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
