[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So I think integrated patches of Knowledge-Information (logical-depth > complexity) are the 'islands' in the 'sea' of raw Information (Shannon > or statistical type complexity). And I think there's a third kind of > information associated with Qualia which isn't understood yet.
Would you care to speculate? David > David Nyman wrote: > > > > > I agree that qualia are ontological, rather than epistemological. I > > 'experience blue' in virtue of 'being blue' - i.e. myself-as-perceiver, > > in specific self-relation with myself-as-percept = being blue (or > > rather, blue in parts). This qualitative ontological base is the given > > that differentiates into every epistemological category by internal > > self-contrast - this is blue, that is red, sour, disgusting, verbal, > > mathematical, sexy, whatever. Hence this ontological base cannot itself > > be - for example - the physics, because the physics, like all > > relationally expressed and acquired information, is part of > > epistemology. > > > > If one's ontology is grounded in Arithmetical Realism (e.g. the UD > > arithemetically instantiating the infinities of programs generated by > > infinities of infinite bitstrings) it then follows that qualia must > > indeed be 'internal models of mathematics'. The Arithmetical plenitude > > of 'zero-information' self-isolates into islands of non-zero 1st-person > > information through anthropic and counter-factual self-selection. The > > Library of Babel generates readers to peruse itself. We must therefore > > accept that the sense in which we wish this ontological base to be > > considered real must be granted to be the same sense, mutatis mutandis > > - i.e. the self-isolation of self-aware 1st-persons from the plenitude > > - in which we ourselves wish to be considered real. > > > > David > > > > Whoa dude. That is some heavy-duty 'reality theory' speak ;) > > One point. I wouldn't say that 'the Arithmetical plentitude' has 'zero > information'. There is Shannon information there - I'd say it's a sea > of Shannon information. Of course strings of random gibbrish are > Shannon information. > > We should perhaps distinguish between several different kinds of > information. I agree that the 'plentitude' , to quote you, does > 'self-isolate into islands of non-zero 1st person information'. This > kind of information could be 'logical depth' type complexity (or > roughly 'knowledge'). > > So I think integrated patches of Knowledge-Information (logical-depth > complexity) are the 'islands' in the 'sea' of raw Information (Shannon > or statistical type complexity). And I think there's a third kind of > information associated with Qualia which isn't understood yet. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---