OK, tell me where all those civilisations of the past have gone to, 
because THEY did NOT survived.

Tell me what makes YOU so sure this current global civilisation can 
survive. I am more than happy to be shown where I am wrong, but if you 
TRULY disagree with what I am saying, I would like you to provide some 
clear and unambiguous empirical evidence to back up your assertions. 
Without that, you are simply complaining that I am just strongly 
expressing an opinion. I never deny this, in the context that we are 
speaking of here, but I think that my opinion on this is as good as 
anybody's that I have seen so far.

To help you chew on this:

    * compassion is the acting out of the ability to see oneself in the
      other and the recognition that, except for the throw of some
      cosmic dice, I am he or she and they are me; compassion
      facilitates the breaking down of the fear and false consciousness
      which underpins unconscious projection; compassion is a sign and
      manifestation of authentic being and strength, not weakness;
      without compassion truly human life is well nigh impossible
    * ethics is the foundation of civilisation and is the acting out of
      the ability to see that we each depend on many, many others for
      our survival and well being and they depend upon us, and that the
      true genius and strength of humankind is our ability to cooperate
      with each other rather than a propensity to strive against others
    * democracy is essentially the systematic implementation of the
      non-violent resolution of conflict, it requires that everyone's
      voice be heard and democracy advances as the excessive and
      aggressive power of the rich and powerful is curtailed and
      controlled; Karl Popper gave the most succinct explanation of why
      democracy is both better than all the alternatives and absolutely
      essential and the basic form of his argument is this: all policies
      formulated by governments and governing bodies will have
      unexpected negative consequences, no matter how good the policies,
      and it is to be expected that at least 50% of the unforeseen
      consequences will be significantly adverse and negative for those
      who experience them so it is imperative that the negative
      consequences of policies be made known to those who govern and
      that the rulers take notice and actually ameliorate the problems.
      If the rulers cannot be made to correct these unforeseen negative
      outcomes then over time the negative outcomes will accrue to the
      extent that the people feel driven to rebel or vote with their
      feet and leave the land of the rotten regime.
    * the advent of scientific method into human culture is what has
      made the modern world; this modern era is a time of transition in
      which every traditional belief and practice is being challenged by
      the application of scientific method and of the fruits of the
      application of science; in this world of great and ceaseless
      changes, the continued application of scientific method is and
      always will be essential for allowing us to adapt to all the
      unforeseen outcomes of change so far; with scientific method human
      beings have the ability to journey out into the solar system and
      beyond, to be citizens of the galaxy, but without scientific
      method humans will die out on a devastated planet

Mark Peaty  CDES

Klortho wrote:
>> The other thing I do is check to what extent a person's speech and
>> writings support and affirm the four fundamental ingredients of
>> civilisation:
>> Compassion, democracy, ethics and scientific method. No civilisation can
>> survive without all four of these.
> Talk about assertions without any evidence!
> >

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