Jason, after Danny's very interesting treatise your reply gave me a clue I
completely misunderstood so far. As i wrote to Brent, my vocabulary is not
vocabulary and the meanings mix up. Simulation emerged to me as 'copying',
you lit up the little lamp to consider it as 'forming a simulacron' (sort
of), a way to
make - what I call - a "model" including those characteristics which we
might find
relevant. Which is a way of examining our topic in ' certain' detailing.

Thanks, it is interesting.

John M

On 3/4/07, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 12:09 pm, "Danny Mayes " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Why some intelligent beings in some other part of the
> > multiverse may want to simulate or emulate our part of the multiverse is
> > interesting as well, but is entirely unrelated to the logic of whether
> the
> > entire entity is at least in part a simulation as set forth above.
> >
> > Danny Mayes
> I think such simulation will be the ultimate goal of technology for
> any intelligent and curious species.  Simulation is the ultimate form
> of exploration as it allows connections to be made between otherwise
> unreachable universes.  If every possible universe exists and each is
> non-interacting, the only way to "explore" the other possibilities for
> existance would be simulation.  Any universes where a Turing machine
> can be built can discover all Turing emulable universes.  New
> universes are not being created when a simulation is conducted, rather
> a connection is made to a possible existance which has always been
> there.
> Douglas Jones wrote a very interesting hypothetical conversation
> between a human and a highly advanced alien who lives in "cyberspace"
> where not only can any imaginable environment or universebe be
> simulated, but all beings like him had thier minds uploaded and are
> also simulated.  It is available at
> http://www.station1.net/douglasjones/aconvers.htm
> and is well worth the read.  Mind uploading and simulation I think
> would be desirable to any intelligent and sufficently advanced race.
> It offers unlimited freedom, immortality (or at least greatly extended
> existance), and the ability to participate in fully immersive "game
> worlds" which are subjectively indistingushable from any other
> reality.
> I believe there may even be a statistical argument for our existance
> in such a "game world" now.  Consider that in human history, about 60
> billion humans have ever lived.  If humanity reaches a technological
> singularity in the near future, and the majority of the human race
> uploaded their minds into computers, it would only take each person on
> average playing 10 lifetimes (600-700 years) worth of these immersive
> games before the bulk of human experience has been simulated as
> opposed to physical.  Considering such a civilization could last many
> billions of years if not longer, the simulated human experiences would
> greatly outweigh the physics-based ones.
> Jason
> >

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