Jason, after Danny's very interesting treatise your reply gave me a clue I
completely misunderstood so far. As i wrote to Brent, my vocabulary is not
your
vocabulary and the meanings mix up. Simulation emerged to me as 'copying',
while
you lit up the little lamp to consider it as 'forming a simulacron' (sort
of), a way to
make - what I call - a "model" including those characteristics which we
might find
relevant. Which is a way of examining our topic in ' certain' detailing.

Thanks, it is interesting.

John M

On 3/4/07, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 4, 12:09 pm, "Danny Mayes " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Why some intelligent beings in some other part of the
> > multiverse may want to simulate or emulate our part of the multiverse is
> > interesting as well, but is entirely unrelated to the logic of whether
> the
> > entire entity is at least in part a simulation as set forth above.
> >
> > Danny Mayes
>
> I think such simulation will be the ultimate goal of technology for
> any intelligent and curious species.  Simulation is the ultimate form
> of exploration as it allows connections to be made between otherwise
> unreachable universes.  If every possible universe exists and each is
> non-interacting, the only way to "explore" the other possibilities for
> existance would be simulation.  Any universes where a Turing machine
> can be built can discover all Turing emulable universes.  New
> universes are not being created when a simulation is conducted, rather
> a connection is made to a possible existance which has always been
> there.
>
> Douglas Jones wrote a very interesting hypothetical conversation
> between a human and a highly advanced alien who lives in "cyberspace"
> where not only can any imaginable environment or universebe be
> simulated, but all beings like him had thier minds uploaded and are
> also simulated.  It is available at
> http://www.station1.net/douglasjones/aconvers.htm
> and is well worth the read.  Mind uploading and simulation I think
> would be desirable to any intelligent and sufficently advanced race.
> It offers unlimited freedom, immortality (or at least greatly extended
> existance), and the ability to participate in fully immersive "game
> worlds" which are subjectively indistingushable from any other
> reality.
>
> I believe there may even be a statistical argument for our existance
> in such a "game world" now.  Consider that in human history, about 60
> billion humans have ever lived.  If humanity reaches a technological
> singularity in the near future, and the majority of the human race
> uploaded their minds into computers, it would only take each person on
> average playing 10 lifetimes (600-700 years) worth of these immersive
> games before the bulk of human experience has been simulated as
> opposed to physical.  Considering such a civilization could last many
> billions of years if not longer, the simulated human experiences would
> greatly outweigh the physics-based ones.
>
> Jason
>
>
> >
>

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