On 16 Jan 2009, at 14:10, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> > 2009/1/16 Brent Meeker <[email protected]>: > >> But both the electronic and the mechanical computer are >> implementing a process >> that is distributed in spacetime and has causal connections. > > Yes, and my claim is that the causal connections are important only > because they give rise to the sequence of states. I agree with you. Now, with the computational supervenience thesis: " a causal connection" is the same as a "universal machine". From third person point of view, one causal connection (one UM) is enough (and I take the numbers+addition+multiplication) for the ease. From a first person point of view the physics emerge from all possible "causal connection" below my substitution level. Comp predicts that if I observe myself below the substitution level, I will find a sheaf of "local connections". > If the same state > changes occurred accidentally, I don't see where there is room for the > resulting consciousness to be any different. For if the consciousness > were to be different it would be able to send different signals to the > vocal cords or loudspeaker reporting that difference, but this is > impossible if the output states are the same as they would have been > had they been causally linked. I can be OK, but there is place for ambiguity. We will have to come back about the movie-graph, to make this clear. > > >>>> In terms of Bruno's teleporter, one might say yes accepting that >>>> there would be >>>> a one-time gap in consciousness (ever had a concussion?), but one >>>> would probably >>>> hesitate if the there was to be a gap every 10ms. >>> >>> Assuming the gap did not result in accumulation of errors, a >>> technical >>> problem, and assuming the environment is held constant to eliminate >>> 100Hz flicker, I don't see how teleportation every 10ms could alter >>> consciousness. >> >> I could if you lost 10ms of consciousness everytime you were >> teleported. > > How can you be sure that your consciousness was not suspended for the > past minute, assuming that care was taken to leave the environment > unchanged during this period? OK. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
