Bruno, List, > in awaked state. Yet I do distinguish dying and forgetting.
Let us say that we have a measure of continuation (of psychological) identity from 1 to 0, where 1=full continuation and 0=death, and we apply this measure from one OM to the next. Then forgetting would be everything between 0 and 1. O, extreme forgetting, is death. Oliver Sacks's book "The Man who mistook his wife for a hat" comes to mind, where he also describes a patient, Jimmie, who has severe retrograde amnesia which started when he was around 60 or so and which "erased" his memories up to 40 years prior. An especially chilling episode occurs in the book when Sacks mentions that, on the first interview with the patient, he gives him a mirror (which Sacks regrets) and the patient gets a panic attack, because he sees a 65 year old when he expects to be 19. Fortunately, he forgets a few moments later. He lives in an "eternal now" being reset every few minutes, because (through alcohol abuse) he can't develop new memories (and in his severe case many past ones where erased). This person has lived up to 65, but, through losing his memories, from 65 onwards one could say that he "died" with 19 (relative to his 65+ states). >I think "I" is a logical construction (we will come back on this). >Memories have a big values, but "I" don't put it in my identity, nor Hmm, I do think that memories constitutes your identity (in the wide sense, also muscle memory as Brent mentioned). If not that, what then? Drescher (in Good and Real, 2006, MIT Press) for instance likens qualia to gensyms in LISP http://www.cs.utah.edu/dept/old/texinfo/emacs19/cl_6.html: QUOTE: Creating Symbols These functions create unique symbols, typically for use as temporary variables. Function: gensym &optional x This function creates a new, uninterned symbol (using make-symbol) with a unique name. ENDQUOTE I am not so sure about qualia, but I think the "I" symbol fits this description nicely: a unique symbol for use as temporary variable, around which memories (filters on histories) gather. This "I" variable is not really essential, what is essential is the memories (relating one to the world). Indeed, Susan Blackmore (english naturalist philosopher/psychologist) describes having eliminating any feeling of "I" through meditation. To be more precise, I think she has simply eliminated the I symbol but it is still present subsymbolically as an anchor for memories (see also papers by Aaron Sloman and John Pollock describing persons as virtual machines). Plotinus Universal Soul (less mystically: the first person view) could never die (as in: there will always be an experience in Platonia, somewhere, somewhen (better: nowhere, nowhen); but your _personal identity_ here on Earth in this Universe etc. ceases to exist without your memories. Less and less memories -> means more and more histories pass through you (assuming COMP), until, when you have lost all memories (including the "memory" of your brain organization which leads you to be able to process visual stimuli, same holds for other senses) which equals death all histories pass through that state, and as Russell nicely points out in his book (he uses bitstrings) all histories are as good as no histories - all differences get lost, there is no person left to appreciate (that is then indeed the true view from nowhen and nowhere - nothing). To put up the above paragraph another way: you need memories to _be_ _someone_. To be someone is to be someone relatively to possible histories, which gets mediated by memories. Best Wishes, Günther --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---