On 26 Feb 2009, at 18:41, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > There is no identity without memories... makes no sense to me.
I take it as a superficial part of identity, with respect to surviving. Personal identity, I think is more and less than personal memories. By loosing memory "I" would be wounded, not dead. > > > If "I" with my memories happen to have no next moment with my > memories... I will be dead, and no cul-de-sac is false... a next > moment where none of your memories is left is no more a next moment. No memories at all? In that case some month ago I would have agreed with you, but I have lost any certainties here. > > You know it was you because you did wake up as you... How could I know that? > you didn't know inside the dream... This is Maury's conception of dream. I doubt it a lot, and consider it refuted by the work of Laberge and Dement (and Hearne) on lucid dreaming. > note that I'm not even sure we have of sense of self while dreaming, OK, here I disagree rather strongly. > I accept we have it during a recollection of the dream. Personal identity is indeed related to recollection of some memory, even in awaked state. Yet I do distinguish dying and forgetting. > > > > Memories, like body and brain are things we possess, and this means, > I think, that we can still survive without them. > > I think not. > > > Suppose that I die tomorrow, and that sometimes after someone find a > backup of "me" at the age of five, so that "I" am reconstituted from > that backup. Would you say I am dead, or would you say that I have > survived, only with a severe sort of amnesy ? > > You will be dead. Gosh! And what if the backup has been done last year, or one minute ago? I will be dead too? Less dead? Best regards, Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
