On 07 Aug 2009, at 10:09, Quentin Anciaux wrote:

> Hi,
> 2009/8/7 Torgny Tholerus <tor...@dsv.su.se>:
>> Bruno Marchal skrev:
>>> Then it is not "RITSIAR" in the sense of the discussion with David.
>>> Real in the sense that "I" am real. is ambiguous.
>>> Either the "I" refers to my first person, and then I have  
>>> ontological
>>> certainty.
>>> As I said on FOR, I can conceive that I wake up and realize that
>>> quark, planet, galaxies and even my body were not real. I cannot
>>> conceive that I wake up and realize that my consciousness is not  
>>> real.
>> When I woke up this morning, I realized that my consciousness was not
>> real...
> Like before... If you are a zombie, the sentence above has no
> meaning... (there exists no 'I') and if you're not, either you're
> deluded or you 're  lying ;)

Or you have a good sense of humor.
The idea of a dreaming zombie, waking up to realize that he was  
dreaming being conscious, is rather funny.



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