Not to hijack my thread, but even if Physics is just a subbranch of
PA, I have difficulty conceiving of numerical computations happening
without matter/energy.
 
Ronald

On Dec 19, 12:08 pm, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Reality **versions(?)* continued...
> ----------------------------------------
> In his post Benjamin Jakubik wrote:"Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> >> Honestly I think you are a bit dishonest to yourself here, since you
> >> already presume the appearance of matter,
>
> > I assume nowhere primitive matter. I do assume "consensual reality".
> > If not, I would not post message on a list.
>
> Well, that was my point. So indeed numbers don't make sense independent of
> that, because..."
> --------------
>
> IMO to 'presume' the *appearance* of matter is not more than what I call
> (Colin's) *perceived reality* - our own figment at the mental level we *can
> and do* muster.
>
> Bruno's *(nowhere(!) assumed)* "primitive matter" would transcend the
> 'perceived' - so it seems irrelevant in this respect, however... he assumes
> a *"consensual reality"* .
> In whch case a 'consensual' would be even weaker than a 'perceived' - this
> being a
>  "one-person" mindset and does not require (consensual) agreement from many.
>
> I still feel that 'numbers' lurk somewhere in these - non primary -
> hills....(as not 'primitives'!) - no matter how imaginative it would be to
> 'express' anything with long-enough series of them.
> My ceterum censeo (sorry, Bruno)
>
> John M
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:08 PM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ronald:
> > WHAT is reality? 'physical' is one degree weaker, it is most likely based
> > on observations we call 'physical' in the figment: physical world(view) -
> > the poorly understood/explainable - as the article puts it: 'ontological in
> > science' - explanatory figment.
> > John M
>
> >   On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:18 AM, ronaldheld <ronaldh...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0912/0912.3433.pdf
> >> any comments on this?
> >>                    Ronald
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