Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

2010/1/11 Brent Meeker <meeke...@dslextreme.com>:S1 and S2 can be precisely delimited as machine states but only more loosely as mental states. This is because, as you say, there may be a thought that spans S1 and S2, and is therefore partly generated by M1 and partly by M2. I don't see this as an issue since even if the computer was just doing arithmetic it could be broken up and distributed across two machines and the final answer would still be the same.The answer would be the same, but the computation would not. So the person with the AI brain might add up numbers the same, but have a different conscious experience. Consider for example your conscious experience at age six when asked to add 120 and 280 as compared to how you do it now.I was initially considering the case of a computer doing the calculation directly, not generating a mind that does the calculation. The computation would have to span the two machines, and it would still be the same computation.

`I suppose it could be "the same computation" in the Platonic sense that`

`adding 2+2 is a computation, but as realized on two computers it`

`couldn't be the same as realized on a single computer. At a minimum it`

`would take some extra steps to transfer data in the registers.`

Similarly, if the subject in the virtual environment was doing mental arithmetic he would still get the right answer despite the physical discontinuity introduced mid-calculation, and how would that be possible if the discontinuity caused a disruption in consciousness?Because addition, like most thought, is mostly unconscious?I certainly have to think about it consciously. In the example yougave I look at the 20 and the 80 and notice that they add to 100,

`How do you "notice" that? Is it not an unconscious fact recalled into`

`consciousness?`

and the 100 and 200 add to 300, so the answer is 120 + 280 = 100 + 300 = 400. If this thought was interrupted I might get the wrong answer, or at the very least I would know it was interrupted. But the subject in the proposed experiment by definition does not notice any interruption, since S2 proceeds deterministically whether the computation is on the one machine or spread over two machines

`But aren't you assuming that consciousness is produced by the abstract`

`Platonic computation - rather than by the actual physical process (which`

`is not the same) - in other words assuming the thing being argued?`

Brent

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