On 8/8/2011 9:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote:

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On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 1:56 PM, benjayk<benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com<mailto:benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com>> wrote:I am getting a bit tired of labouring this point, but honestly your theory is postulating something that seems nonsensical to me. Why on earth would I believe in the truth of something that *can never be known in any way* (namely, that arithmetics is true without / prior to consciousness)? Ben,Do you think that the 10^10^100th digit of Pi has a certain value eventhough we can never know what it is and no one has ever or will ever(in this universe at least) be conscious of it? If I assert the digithappens to be 8, would you agree that my assertion must be either trueor false? If so, where does this truth exist?Note that one cannot say it has an indefinite or value, or that itsvalue is inconsequential because that level of precision will nevermake a difference in any equation we work with. Euler's identity:e^(Pi * i) + 1 = 0, would be false without each of the infinite digitsof Pi having a definite and certain value. These values that areunknown to use, but nonetheless must be there.

`Mathematical existence isn't a matter of being "there", it's a matter of`

`satisfying, making true, a certain proposition. So why does the`

`putative digit of pi have the value it does, because it satisfies`

`certain propositions which we infer from other propositions we are`

`pleased to hold hypothetically true as axioms. Existence in the usual`

`sense never enters into it.`

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