On 8/6/2011 12:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 06 Aug 2011, at 07:04, meekerdb wrote:On 8/5/2011 9:42 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:Comp already shows that it take the form of an uncertainty calculuson computations. From comp it is easy to deriveindeterminacy/uncertainty, non locality, non clonability of theapparent primitive matter. From comp + the classical theory ofknowledge you get also symmetry at the observable bottom (the lawsare reversible, and 'particles' comes from invariance from suchsymmetries).How does comp imply non-locality? I don't even see that it implies alimited speed of signaliing.?Comp is not local from the first person point of view, because if aBoltzmann brain, for example, generates a "next state" of myself outof my light cone, I have still to take it into account to predict whatI will experience in the next second. The presence of the UD makesthat worst. Of course the generated physical reality can still belocal, but this would need a justification. Formally comp is not localbecause the comp-physics (given by the Z1* and X1* logics) satisfies(most plausibly) an abstract Bell-like inequality (very plausibly: notenough people have verified the argument.

`Satisfying a Bell-inequality implies consistency with locality? Did`

`you mean to write "violates an abstract Bell-like inequality"?`

Brent

I used the theorem prover for G* to assist the derivation).It is a form of logical, conditional, non locality, given that we havenot yet a notion of space, still less of speed.Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/

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