On Aug 17, 7:57 am, "Stephen P. King" <stephe...@charter.net> wrote:
> On 8/17/2011 7:01 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:> On Aug 17, 2:16 am, 
> meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>  wrote:
>
> >> On 8/16/2011 10:51 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> >>> Molecules in a live brain behave differently
> >>> than those in a dead brain. What is this force? Cumulative
> >>> entanglement. Significance. Negentropy. Sense.
> >> It already has had a name for a long time: elan vital.
> > Elan vital is an imaginary substance. Sense is an ordinary principle
> > that can be observed on every level of perception.
>
> > Elan vital is what you get when you try to shoehorn experiential
> > private qualitative phenomena in time into observable public
> > quantitative phenomena in space. If you turn it upside down it looks
> > just like a photon.
>
> Hi,
>
>      Could it be that there is a bit of a category error in the idea of
> elan vital in that emergent behavior is being considered as a 'separate
> and independent' substance? This kind of error, prevanent in many
> philosophers ideas (highlighted by Descartes),  seems to still haunt us.
> I think that we seriously need to reconsider the entire idea of
> "substance". Bruno's point about substance is very valid, IMHO.

Yes, Elan Vital is a category error (as are photons, IMHO) I agree
that substance is not what it appears to be, but neither is it a
purely arithmetic simulation. It is a category consequence.

Craig

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