On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 8, 12:12 am, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Of course all the parts of the car determine how it will move! You can
>> >> predict exactly what the car will do if you know how it works and you
>> >> have the inputs.
>> > What you are talking about is either tautological and obvious or
>> > delusional. if I send you the owner's manual of my car, you can tell
>> > me where I'm going to drive it tomorrow? So what are you talking
>> > about? That if you observe a car turning, you can tell which way it's
>> > turning or something?
>> If you send me the plans of your car and the inputs - which way you
>> intend to steer and so on -
> *which
>                    way
>                                you
>                                          intend
>                                                        to steer*
> WHAAAAT?????
> Did you think you were just going to slip that in and I wouldn't
> notice?
> So cool, as long as I give you the schematics of my car and tell you
> where I'm going to drive to, you will be able to deduce where I'm
> going to drive to? Wow, that's almost better than nothing at all.
> There is no way that you are serious. You are trolling me, brother.

Quentin responded to this.

Apart from the philosophical issues there are two scientific issues
you misunderstand. The first is what it means to simulate something.
It appears you think that the simulation must include the whole
universe and not just the thing being simulated. The second is the
belief you seem to have that microscopic events can happen without an
empirically observable cause. You cite scientific articles discussing
spontaneous neural activity and you think that that is what they are
talking about: that the transmembrane voltage in a neuron can just
change because the subject wills it.

Stathis Papaioannou

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