On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> Stephen, Ronald, > > The paper is very interesting, on physics, but succumbs directly from the > argument that any digital physics is bound to be unsuccessful on the > mind-body problem by being still physicalist. The body problem is a problem > of computer science, that is arithmetic, once we bet that observer are > Turing emulable, as they should if the physics is digital. > > If the universe is a computation, then comp is true. But comp implies that > the universe cannot be a computation (by UDA). Could you explain this a little bit? I didn't get that from my reading of the UDA > So the universe is a computation implies that the universe is not a > computation. So the universe is not a computation, whatever it can be. This > defeat Finkelstein, Schmidhuber, Fredkin, and all attempts to conceive the > physical universe as a computation, or output of a computation. > This does not mean that the paper does not have interesting ideas on the > unification of known forces in physics, and that "quantum graphity" might > be a good idea, but if correct, such idea have to be recovered from the > (more ambitious) attempt to get a unification of both qualia and quanta > (consciousness and matter). The authors have still not integrate the > mind-body problem. We are still much in advance on this list :) > > Bruno > > > > > On 18 Jan 2012, at 14:53, ronaldheld wrote: > > I found this at arXiv:1201.3398v1 [gr-qc] 17 Jan 2012. Any comments? >> I have just started to read it., >> Ronald >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<[email protected]> >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >> . >> >> > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~**marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/> > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.**com<[email protected]> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@ > **googlegroups.com <everything-list%[email protected]>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> > . > > -- Joseph Knight -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
