On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

> Stephen, Ronald,
>
> The paper is very interesting, on physics, but succumbs directly from the
> argument that any digital physics is bound to be unsuccessful on the
> mind-body problem by being still physicalist. The body problem is a problem
> of computer science, that is arithmetic, once we bet that observer are
> Turing emulable, as they should if the physics is digital.
>
> If the universe is a computation, then comp is true. But comp implies that
> the universe cannot be a computation (by UDA).


Could you explain this a little bit? I didn't get that from my reading of
the UDA


> So the universe is a computation implies that the universe is not a
> computation. So the universe is not a computation, whatever it can be. This
> defeat Finkelstein, Schmidhuber, Fredkin, and all attempts to conceive the
> physical universe as a computation, or output of a computation.


> This does not mean that the paper does not have interesting ideas on the
> unification of known forces in physics, and that "quantum graphity" might
> be a good idea, but if correct, such idea have to be recovered from the
> (more ambitious) attempt to get a unification of both qualia and quanta
> (consciousness and matter). The authors have still not integrate the
> mind-body problem. We are still much in advance on this list :)
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
>
> On 18 Jan 2012, at 14:53, ronaldheld wrote:
>
>  I found this at arXiv:1201.3398v1 [gr-qc] 17 Jan 2012. Any comments?
>> I have just started to read it.,
>>                        Ronald
>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
>> "Everything List" group.
>> To post to this group, send email to 
>> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
>> .
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
>> everything-list+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>
>> .
>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**
>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en>
>> .
>>
>>
> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~**marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/>
>
>
>
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "Everything List" group.
> To post to this group, send email to 
> everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com>
> .
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@
> **googlegroups.com <everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>.
> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**
> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en>
> .
>
>


-- 
Joseph Knight

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
"Everything List" group.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 
everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at 
http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.

Reply via email to