On 2/1/2012 12:35 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 2/1/2012 10:57 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:47 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 1/31/2012 8:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Regarding the "philosopher's nothing":
This present moment exists, and it has no cause since our universe is a four
dimensional structure (time is a subjective phenomenon). This timeless
existence
of this moment establishes that "nothingness" cannot exist. In short: It
is an
impossible state. The question then becomes: "Why should this present
moment
exist, and what else might also exist?" So far, the answer suggested by our
latest discoveries and reasoning suggests: a lot.
Jason
Or to paraphrase Quine: What is there? Everything. So what isn't there?
Nothing.
Brent
I don't quite agree with that paraphrasing. My point was that there is no such thing
as a philosopher's nothing, not that everything exists. Such a leap would require the
additional assumption that "Nothingness" is only thing that does not exist. All I said
was that "nothingness" is an impossible state. This is the conclusion of accepting a
four-dimensional/atemporal existence, as suggested by relativity.
Jason
Hi Jason and Brent,
I hope that you both realize that the "four dimensional structure" does not take QM
into account as SR assumes that observables all commute and there is no Plank's
constant. Why this is not more widely understood is mysterious to me! It is as if a
simple error keeps being repeated over and over and no one has the temerity to point it
out and offer a correction. Maybe people want the idea to be true so they ignore the
inconvenient facts.
Onward!
Stephen
I'm not sure what your point is. QFT is done the "four dimensional structure". Or are you
complaining that we haven't considered the yet-to-be-discovered quantum theory of
gravity/spacetime?
Brent
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