On 13 Aug 2012, at 17:04, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
On 12 Aug 2012, at 18:01, William R. Buckley wrote:
The physical universe is purely subjective.
That follows from comp in a constructive way, that is, by giving the
means to derive physics from a theory of subejectivity. With comp
any first order logical theory of a universal system will do, and
the laws of physics and the laws of mind are not dependent of the
choice of the initial universal system.
Does the universal system change the measure of different programs
and observers, or do programs that implement programs (such as the
UDA) end up making the initial choice of system of no consequence?
The choice of the initial universal system does not matter. Of course
it does matter epistemologically. If you choose a quantum computing
system as initial system, the derivation of the physical laws will be
confusing, and you will have an hard time to convince people that you
have derived the quantum from comp, as you will have seemed to
introduce it at the start. So it is better to start with the less
"looking physical" initial system, and it is preferable to start from
one very well know, like number + addition and multiplication.
So, let us take it to fix the thing. The theory of everything is then
given by the minimal number of axioms we need to recover Turing
Amazingly enough the two following axioms are already enough, where
the variable are quantified universally. I assume also some equality
rules, but not logic!
x + 0 = x
x + s(y) = s(x + y)
x * 0 = 0
x*s(y) = (x *y) + x
This define already a realm in which all universal number exists, and
all their behavior is accessible from that simple theory: it is
sigma_1 complete, that is the arithmetical version of Turing-complete.
Note that such a theory is very weak, it has no negation, and cannot
prove that 0 ≠ 1, for example. Of course, it is consistent and can't
prove that 0 = 1 either. yet it emulates a UD through the fact that
all the numbers representing proofs can be proved to exist in that
Now, in that realm, due to the first person indeterminacy, you are
multiplied into infinity. More precisely, your actual relative
computational state appears to be proved to exist relatively to
basically all universal numbers (and some non universal numbers too),
and this infinitely often.
So when you decide to do an experience of physics, dropping an apple,
for example, the first person indeterminacy dictates that what you
will feel to be experienced is given by a statistic on all
computations (provably existing in the theory above) defined with
respect to all universal numbers.
So if comp is correct, and if some physical law is correct (like
'dropped apples fall'), it can only mean that the vast majority of
computation going in your actual comp state compute a state of affair
where you see the apple falling. If you want, the reason why apple
fall is that it happens in the majority of your computational
extensions, and this has to be verified in the space of all
computations. Everett confirms this very weird self-multiplication
(weird with respect to the idea that we are unique and are living in a
unique reality). This translated the problem of "why physical laws"
into a problem of statistics in computer science, or in number theory.
Now, instead of using the four axioms above, I could have started with
the combinators, and use the two combinator axioms:
((K x) y) = x
(((S x) y) z) = ((x z) (y z))
This define exactly the same set of "all computations", and the same
statistical measure problem, and that is what I mean by saying that
the initial axioms choice is indifferent as long as you start from
something which define a UD, or all computations (that is: is Turing
or sigma_1 complete).
Now, clearly, from the first person points of view, it does look like
many universal system get relatively more important role. Some can be
geographical, like the local chemical situation on earth (a very
special universal system), or your parents, but the point is that
their stability must be justified by the "winning universal system"
emerging from the competition of all universal numbers going through
your actual state. The apparent winner seems to be the quantum one,
and it has already the shape of a universal system which manage to
eliminate abnormal computations by a process of destructive
interferences. But to solve the mind body problem we have to justify
this destructive interference processes through the solution of the
arithmetical or combinatorial measure problem.
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