On 16 Aug 2012, at 17:09, Roger wrote:

Hi Bruno Marchal

Can this machine recognize its self in a mirror or line-up ?

No problem.


Self-image would be a critical part of self-identity.

It might be a delusion too, I think. (they fall in that delusion trap in the movie "Source Code" if you have seen it, where someone accept the idea that he is dead, after indeed losing its self-image. I find this absurd, even if I agree that loosing your self-image might be very psychologically troubling, but then loosing your legs too).

Bruno





Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
8/16/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function."
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Time: 2012-08-15, 05:46:49
Subject: Re: Why AI is impossible

On 15 Aug 2012, at 04:22, William R. Buckley wrote:

> Dear Russell:
>
> When you can design and build a machine that builds itself, not
> its replicant but itself, then I will heed better your advice.

See my paper "planaria, amoeba and dreaming machine" (in the
publication part in my url).

Reproduction regeneration and embryogenesis are easily solved through
a theorem due to Kleene in theoretical computer science. They have all
be implemented, so it is also practical computer science.
As I said: the notion of self is where computer science is at its best.

I can sketch the main idea, if you desire.

Bruno

>
> wrb
>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:16:47AM -0700, William R. Buckley wrote:
>>> John:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regardless of your dislike for the term omniscience versus
>> universality, the
>>> Turing machine
>>>
>>> can compute all computable computations, and this simply by virtue
>>> of
>> its
>>> construction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wrb
>>
>> John is right - omniscience is a different concept to
>> universality. For the sake of clearer conversation, it is better to
>> keep that in mind, rather than arbitrarily redefining words "Humpty
>> Dumpty" like.
>>
>> Of course, if there is no accepted definition for a concept, it is OK
>> to propose another one. But please restrict it to concepts that are
>> logically sound, and be prepared to drop your own definition if a
>> better one comes along.
>>
>> Cheers
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