On 18 Aug 2012, at 15:21, Roger wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
I was trying to make monads more understandable, I realize that
chips are finite.
The philosophies of Plotinus Leibniz are built on L's different
logics.
a) The philosophy of Plotinus folllows what Leibniz calls the logic
of reason
or necesssity. Heavenly, unchangingly always either true or false.
b) The philosophy of Leibniz focusses on the the earth-bound logic
of contingency,
where time plays a role. Sometimes true, sometimes false.
So I don't think Plotinus is applicable at all for the world in
time-- biology, man and
the brain -- as he does not seem to speak of life or living objects
(such as all monads are).
Or change itself, because the world of Plotinus is essentially dead:
the unchanging Kingdom of Heaven
(unchanging, eternal).
Plotinus is a follower of course of Plato and the Kingdom of
Heaven, but we also have
to consider the actual, entelechic (and thus goal-oriented),
changing, imperfect,
contingent world that we live in, the Kingdom of Earth.
I disagree. Plotinus explains both Heaven and Earth, and why souls
fall from Heaven to Earth, and how they can come back. He study the
terrestrial man, and explains why it is imperfect, and all its many
difficulties.
I have not mentioned it previously, but for L, dead things are driven
deterministically as in physics,
What is a dead thing? Is not an illusion in the mind of something
alive. Keep in mind that matter does not exist ontologically in comp.
It exists only in the mind of persons.
that is, efficiently (from before) or,
in contrast, living things are pulled forward to justify final
causes or goals (Aristotle).
Life has purpose and is goal-oriented.
OK.
Eschatologiocal. The end of time,
the Big implosion.
That happens, but not in the ontological reality, which is atemporal,
aspatial, aphysical, (say) etc.
Dead objects are slaves to entropy, living objects eat entropy.
Leibniz, following Aristotle, oin the other hand, specifically
speaks of change
(inherent and continuous in all monads). So he could not be more
different
than Plotinus.
In fact, Leibniz's whole philosophy might be considered as a
philosophy of change.
Change which opely happens here in this contingent Kingdom of Earth.
The drive of this change is called appetition and entelechy. Yes,
entelechy and many of Leibniz's ideas are basically Aristotelian.
OK.
Note that I answer like if I was computationalist, as to avoid the
repetitive label "assuming comp", but I don't know the truth, 'course.
I do only "know" some consequences of comp though.
Bruno
Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
8/18/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
everything could function."
----- Receiving the following content -----
From: Bruno Marchal
Receiver: everything-list
Time: 2012-08-18, 07:11:59
Subject: Re: Monads as computing elements
On 18 Aug 2012, at 03:40, Roger wrote:
Monads as computing elements, the supreme monad
as the central processing computer chip.
I think that Leibniz's monads are in some ways similar to computer
calculations,
for they exist in logical, rather than physical space, and all are
capable of
communications to various extents. If I might say it this way,
they exist in holographic space, just as many think the mind exists
in the brain.
Each monad contains a knowledge of all or most but with limited
resoljution
(clarithy of vision).
Monads are inherently blind, but constantly changing, the Supreme
monad of all
(God or perhaps a computer chip)
God is infinite (except for the early greeks).
A chip is finite.
So ...
constantly and instantly updating their "perceptions"
to reflect the perceptions of all the other monads, so that each
monad contains
in principle a complete knowledge of the universe -- the universe
being made up entirely
of monads. But an imperfect knowledge.
Why imperfect ? Each monad is a passive, near-sighted homunculus.
The distances between monads have to do with their similarities and
the "perceptions" given to them by intellect and vision ,
and all monads have some weaknesses of vision (being near-sighted).
And clarity of vision drops off with distances (differences between
monads).
Because of these imperfections, the monadic computer could operate
somewhat
perfectly in communication with "nearby"monads but imperfectly with
regard
to the whole computing program.
This all happening in a sea of perfect harmony. In a contingent
computing
world.
I appreciate your effort to look in a comp perspective, but I have
searched a long time how to intepret Leibniz in comp, and I have not
find a simple way to do that. Plotinus is far easier. Leibniz does
not seem to be able to abandon a big part of Aristotelianism, I
think, although, as a coherent reasoner, he is aware of the tension,
and is very often close to a comp-coherent picture.
Up to now, I would still try to interpret the monads by the natural
number, perhaps, more simply.
Bruno
Roger , rclo...@verizon.net
8/17/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so
everything could function."
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "Everything List" group.
To post to this group, send email to everything-
l...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en
.
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "Everything List" group.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en
.
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"Everything List" group.
To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at
http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
